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the prince of paranormal

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this ain't your daddy's radio network

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hey now hey now

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you can't see me but i'm dancing

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how you doing everybody

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i see walter's arrived

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how you doing this is fade to block

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baby black bespoke radio for the masses

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225 days into the new year we are live

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from the jp motorsports studios right

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in burbank california

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weather's kind of chilled out here

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hope it has across the country too it's

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finally you know it's under 100.

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right on dale we come in peace

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for kjcr in the dark matter radio

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network i am your host jimmy church how

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you doing

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welcome to everybody listening around

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gave it my best john b wells too uh this

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and we were doing the whole time check

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big salute to the proud men and women in

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uniform all around the world fighting

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the good fight for us without them

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there's no freedom of speech

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we'd be shut down

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you couldn't hear me right now this

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network would not exist

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could you imagine i i think i've said

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this before could you imagine if we

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danny bonaduce is 55 years old

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for all of us the partridge family

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partridge family who were you growing up

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twitter come and join us right now

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spaceboy says brady bunch

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ken lipson brady bunch

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uh follow us on twitter right now at j

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church radio so you can go and hang out

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dm radio net gum come and jump in

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to the sandbox come and play we are all

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so good to be back

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so good and we're a day before call in

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the highlight of the week

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call in thursday tomorrow night

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follow us on twitter at j church radio

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hashtag dm radio night you do want to do

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like this back in the day without any of

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too much work this is this is fun this

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is absolutely fun if you're over on

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there it's all easy

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biggest fan this is from walter lewis he

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the van tassel ufo conference and look

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port-a-potties what were they

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like now i'm sure that's that's close

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all right let's get into clifford that

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god particle and the large hadron

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that they are talking about making the

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collider even bigger

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please can you bring this up on your

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aside from

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john teeter which makes the hadron

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collider

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disturbing to all of us

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but

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is it because you think that there might

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be some kind of

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oversized micro singularity some

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some type of black hole that we all get

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sucked into

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look when they had the first atomic test

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don't forget

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when they had the first atomic atomic

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test they thought they didn't know

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but one of the theories was that would

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it that would be it would start a chain

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reaction

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that they couldn't stop

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tear through the atmosphere eventually

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through er that's it and we would be no

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more just from the test

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but it didn't happen

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so creating i don't know i don't know i

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don't know what the concern is

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but uh shoot me another email let me you

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know nail that one down

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and uh eugene is still trying to stir up

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the pot

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with getting a debate going

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with uh

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with stu

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eugene look

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you know you know man and i understand

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what you're saying but that's not what

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this show was about

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not gonna bring on stu and have him

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embarrassed

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with another guest and have that guest

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embarra what's the point of that

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it's not any fun

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it's not what the show is about

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james randy i would love to have james

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randy on this show

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i would love to just to talk about uh

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uh uh what's his name the spoonbender

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just just on that alone what's his name

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from israel

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another email

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this one's from warren clifford stone

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very interesting discussion

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keith must re-air next to fill in time

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destined to be a classic yep i agree

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totally agree

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and it ain't because of this guy sitting

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in a chair tell you that right now

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any one of you could have sat down here

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with clifford stone

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and had the same result that man is

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amazing

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that's a good one is he still alive

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my goodness he must be 100 years old

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because he was a hundred in like 1970.

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wonder what's going on i think he lives

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in pasadena he's around here

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that's uh that's a good one

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that's a good one

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james randy

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all right keep the guest request coming

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absolutely

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uh

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tonight is another example

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james fox

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in the house

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with tracy tormey

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and i you know i almost want to

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ask tracy about his dad should i go

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there with mel

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ask him what the uh

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ask him what the royalties are from

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the christmas song every year i want to

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know it's either that or rudolph the

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red-nosed reindeer that's where all the

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money's at

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mel torme unbelievable tracy tormey

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james fox bottom of the hour

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i'll be back right after this this is

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fade to black bespoke radio for the

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masses i'm your host jimmy church

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welcome everybody follow us on twitter

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at jchurchradio shoot me an email to

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jimmy jimmychurchradio.com i'll be back

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and that's exactly what you need my

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brother when you're taking on the evil 3

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letter so seriously give them a call

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or go check out their website dub dub

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only on the dark matter radio network

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seriously follow us on twitter right now

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mike nesmith really that's a good one

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from

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doug changed everything man

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douglas trumbull i was actually watching

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a documentary uh with him last week two

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back to back

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and uh and

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the master

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trumbull all right

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tonight um

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look i'll do this too while while we're

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uh winding down to the bottom of the

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hour i'll take a couple of calls

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while i am talking about this subject

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which is

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ufo documentaries

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that's what we're going to be talking

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about all night tonight

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and

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i i'm addicted to them

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i i have gone over

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and i'm not kidding i i did this uh not

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too long ago i went over to uh ufo tv on

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on youtube great channel

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looking for something to watch and i

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i went through

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everything they had

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and had to stop and realize that i have

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watched every documentary on that

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channel

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and that's hundreds

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i couldn't believe it i had to stop to

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myself and go i've seen everything here

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i'm always looking

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for new stuff for something good

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something i haven't seen before

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and

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there's a lot out there

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there's a lot there's a lot

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legit the two gentlemen that we're

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bringing on tonight

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and

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very specifically uh

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james fox got a call coming in james fox

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is he's the master at that

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he is he's he's probably the best

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and i cannot wait to get into his mind

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and his new documentary 701

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is going to freak you out

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i was watching some of the stuff about

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that today you can go to 701 movie

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dot com

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and uh check it out all right let's grab

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this first call hi you're live on fade

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to black with jimmy church who's calling

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where are you calling from

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yeah it's steve from virginia hey steve

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from virginia how are you tonight sir

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going good buddy glad you brought on

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clifford stone man that was good wasn't

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it

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oh he's the best

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and he just his emotions and everything

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brings it out

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you know last night uh he i i did

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everything that i could and i'm

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wondering if you picked up on this

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i

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sleeve he really really does

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and uh and i was doing that last night

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you're absolutely right you can hear the

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emotion in his voice and it he's always

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right on the edge all the time

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he was close there toward the end he i

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thought he was gonna break down there

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toward the end yep but he kept it

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together yeah he did he kept it together

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i i just kept i didn't

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it was intentional and i didn't want to

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do that but you know i i just uh you

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know

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he's he's so emotional i don't want to

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say you should you know

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uh have you know

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allow him to keep his dignity it's not

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about that

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but he doesn't i don't want him to do

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that on on this show every single time

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because i'm asking you know probing

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questions i don't want to do that you

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know and i don't want to be that guy

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that that is why i don't see how he

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could not i know i know i know i mean if

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he's just that

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you know

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i mean the stuff that he's been through

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and saying is

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you know one of the things that we

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talked about last night let me ask you

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about this really quick when we were

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talking about vietnam

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and all of those uh freedom of

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information act documents that we posted

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on the website last night

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uh that were mentioning ufos and enemy

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copters

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when

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the north vietnamese didn't have any

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and i would love for somebody to show me

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a picture of you know because there's

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millions of pictures of american

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helicopters that's what vietnam is known

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for for us was the helicopters you know

525
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it's the things that we think about

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apocalypse now whatever you know it's

527
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always all of those

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the news footage from

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from the 60s everything had a helicopter

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shot in it well show me one of the show

531
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me a north vietnamese helicopter i just

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want to see it

533
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if you're writing about it no no

534
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have you ever seen one have you ever

535
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heard of it

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and it just for clifford you know i

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don't know if you heard one we had my

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uncle bill on but when my uncle bill

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said that and he did two tours and nob

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and for him to say that he has no reason

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to lie to me or the audience you know

542
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and

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or you know he's retired you know he's

544
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good he's good to go why why you know if

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he

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clifford to feel really good to know

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that you know somebody out there

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a a decorated war veteran like my uncle

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put put went on the record put it on the

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line and said you know there wasn't any

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i never saw one

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ever

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you know and i think that you know what

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did what did clifford say when i said

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that to him last night

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hallelujah

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whatever you said

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oh man but that dude has got so much

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more in him too i mean it's it's like

560
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i mean he i only think he's got

561
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20 of the information out there that he

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that he's got in him

563
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he said to me once check this out steve

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and i'm not joking about this he said to

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me on the phone

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that he has got 500

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000 pages of documents

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500 let me say that 500

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000. now you remember when you were in

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school and you got a ream of paper for

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your notebook and it was 500 sheets

572
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thick

573
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,520
right two inches two and a half inches

574
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,760
that's 500 sheets

575
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,840
now imagine that

576
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,720
just think about that 500

577
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,480
000

578
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,360
that is that that's a trailer full

579
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,279
you know that's a lot of stuff

580
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,679
and i don't know where it's gonna go uh

581
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,960
one day

582
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:36,960
uh i told him once i said bequeath it to

583
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:40,080
me i'll take care of it oh thank you sir

584
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,039
thank you

585
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,120
you know

586
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:45,360
uh he said they just like uh it's just

587
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,240
so

588
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:47,919
it's just like i'm i'm just wanting to

589
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,320
see him just bust out one day and just

590
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,320
go into a rant

591
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,360
that's what i'd like to see how

592
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,960
clifford's thing just break out into a

593
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,960
rant one day yeah you know it would take

594
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,320
a couple that ain't gonna happen it just

595
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,880
can't happen with it well it would if

596
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,400
maybe if it was in the middle of the day

597
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,240
instead of late at night you know he's

598
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,159
not young anymore and then so catch him

599
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,600
in the middle of the day

600
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,919
give him a cigar a couple of cups of

601
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:11,039
coffee

602
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,120
and while he's fresh and then just go

603
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,840
you know what i mean it i could see

604
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,520
you know with the right questions i

605
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,360
think he would finally open up because

606
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,360
he is so emotional

607
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,120
you know just let it out let it out

608
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,000
absolutely i'm with you what do you hey

609
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,919
any and he talks about you know that he

610
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,520
don't do the he don't do very many

611
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,600
speeches anymore he doesn't you know

612
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,679
uh get out for that but he was like you

613
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,760
know he don't turn anybody away that

614
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,520
shows up you know

615
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,159
at his place to talk about this stuff he

616
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,880
he told me uh off the air just that he

617
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,559
said people show up here all the time i

618
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:47,919
invite him in

619
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,159
coffee tea a coke whatever they want and

620
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,080
they can read anything that i have here

621
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,919
and we can sit and talk my house is

622
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,000
always open he said it drives my wife

623
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,400
crazy drives are crazy how cool was that

624
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,880
yeah exactly i said i won't turn anybody

625
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,880
away come on over talk

626
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:08,080
you know and and he would probably

627
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:09,440
just like uh

628
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:10,640
uh

629
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,200
had read

630
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:16,799
he would probably come on the show every

631
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,600
day

632
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,600
he probably would if i asked him to he

633
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:21,360
probably would he's that gracious of a

634
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,720
man

635
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,640
no doubt and it'd be a great show every

636
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,760
day

637
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,760
i mean it's just that much it's just i

638
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,840
mean i'd be tuned in i mean i'd be right

639
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,279
there

640
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,320
hit my button you know at my time 10

641
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,799
o'clock for your church radio

642
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,960
are you uh looking forward to james fox

643
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,240
tonight

644
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:42,240
oh yeah oh yeah would you hear what he's

645
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,390
oh gosh

646
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:52,230
i don't know i mean there's just so many

647
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,520
i mean it's

648
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,679
you know what mine is i

649
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,000
i think one of the better ones out there

650
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,080
if you if you're going to sit down with

651
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,159
your family or show some friends a ufo

652
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,960
documentary out of the blue

653
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:07,919
which is one of his but that with uh

654
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:10,799
peter coyote uh he's narrating

655
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:14,080
that one is pretty stunning and pretty

656
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,679
well uh

657
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,840
it's pretty well put together but that

658
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,000
that's a good one that's a good one but

659
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,799
yeah i'm a big ufo right now

660
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,399
i'm getting into these documentaries on

661
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,080
the moon man this i was just watching

662
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:28,000
some stuff again today

663
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,600
i mean the stuff's getting crazy with

664
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,840
the chinese you know

665
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,080
you know they jumped on the moon

666
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,320
and i i would love to see what

667
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:38,000
the chinese have saw

668
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,760
yeah you know i'd really like to see the

669
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:40,720
true

670
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:44,880
what'd they go to the moon for

671
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,440
exactly number one number two

672
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,520
the one thing

673
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:51,360
when it comes to china

674
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,480
is

675
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,039
they don't have the freedom of mass

676
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,000
media that we do here even though

677
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,320
things are still controlled and stuff

678
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,080
over here but

679
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,760
we'll never know the real that i mean

680
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,080
that stuff is under lock and key

681
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,440
and and everything i can't even imagine

682
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,480
what they have that we'll never know we

683
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,960
will never ever know

684
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,480
and so you know google's got that new

685
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,919
project out they kind of think because

686
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,600
the x project or something like that

687
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,760
we're not trying to give us a big grant

688
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:23,919
to whoever can

689
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,799
shoot this you know shoot a

690
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,360
uh you know something up there and can

691
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,640
land they're talking about mine and

692
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,799
minerals and stuff from the moon and you

693
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,080
know

694
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,480
if the aliens are there and it truly is

695
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,880
a an alien base which i believe they

696
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,120
they've got something up there

697
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,880
absolutely hey

698
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,960
are they going to allow that to go on

699
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,640
hey steve

700
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:48,320
i'm going to have to let you go so i can

701
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,990
hey thank you steve from virginia and uh

702
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,440
we'll talk to you we'll talk to you

703
00:30:02,870 --> 00:29:59,679
tomorrow night open lines

704
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:02,880
so thank you steve

705
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,480
steve from virginia

706
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,279
he's absolutely right he's absolutely

707
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,840
right on every point

708
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,520
all right i'm gonna get out of here i

709
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,760
gotta get mr fox on the phone

710
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,320
this is fade to black bespoke radio for

711
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,000
the masses i'm your host jimmy church

712
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,399
follow us on twitter right now at j

713
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:24,480
church radio hashtag dm radio net i'll

714
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:38,950
way out here we listen to jimmy church

715
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:41,679
on the dark matter radio network

716
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:49,430
you're listening to fade to black on the

717
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,830
jimmy church

718
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,269
hi i'm

719
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,440
vance you're listening to jimmy church

720
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:08,559
this is revolution the revolution will

721
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,600
not be televised the revolution is on

722
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:13,360
radio

723
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:42,310
so

724
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:55,350
hey

725
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,470
all right welcome back page to black

726
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,880
only on the dark matter radio network

727
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,440
bespoke radio for the masses i am your

728
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,360
host

729
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,320
jimmy church what you want to do

730
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,080
if you want to follow us on twitter

731
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,880
right now at j church radio hashtag dm

732
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,320
radionet

733
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,039
tweetdeck is open to my left if you have

734
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,159
anything for mr fox tweet it in shoot me

735
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,279
an email to jimmy jimmychurchradio.com

736
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,000
and uh if you have anything for mr fox

737
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,480
the fabulous mr fox

738
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,360
shoot it to me pierce the veil of the

739
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:33,279
producers make it good

740
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,559
and it will get in here to me i promise

741
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:38,320
james fox

742
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:42,960
born in england and raised in new york

743
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,600
and california he began his journalism

744
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,760
career early in his life as an assistant

745
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,200
to his father

746
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,360
writer charles fox

747
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:53,200
together they traveled on many

748
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,799
assignments for magazines such as

749
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,039
rolling stone car and driver and sports

750
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,559
illustrated

751
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:00,480
james sold his first documentary to

752
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,440
discovery when he was 28 and has since

753
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,919
completed five films for the likes of

754
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,320
sci-fi channel and history channel he

755
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,320
has made frequent appearances on the

756
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:11,840
larry king show

757
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:15,200
nightline dateline anderson cooper 360

758
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,240
and others

759
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,279
his latest film on ufos i know what i

760
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,159
saw is being distributed by a e and

761
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,640
content films international and that's

762
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,720
that's not even my favorite film as

763
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,120
great as it is i would like to welcome

764
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,880
to the program right now

765
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:33,200
james fox james fox number two how are

766
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,159
you sir

767
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:36,159
i gotta meet this james fox he sounds

768
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,080
amazing he's a cool dude man

769
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:41,840
i guess i sound i guess i sound better

770
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,120
on paper if you go if you go and yeah

771
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,679
right right right if you go and google

772
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,919
james fox guitar center and like eddie

773
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:51,200
van halen

774
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,399
go look at eddie when he was like 18.

775
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:57,120
fox is like 19 he's a young salesman

776
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,880
this is we're talking 1980 you know 79

777
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,799
back in the day day

778
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,960
and go look at your alter ego you guys

779
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,480
kind of look alike too which is kind of

780
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,960
funky except for you got a foot on him

781
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,280
though he's a back back in back in the

782
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,159
late 80s or early 90s i was at a traffic

783
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,919
light on miller avenue in mill valley

784
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,359
northern california

785
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,960
and who pulls up next to me other than

786
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,440
sammy hagar oh right and he's driving a

787
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,359
convertible he's driving a convertible

788
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,919
porsche it was just the most insane

789
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,760
looking thing i'd ever seen and i

790
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,200
jokingly kind of rolled the winner down

791
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:31,919
and i kind of said uh hey i'll race ya

792
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,240
i'll race you for 50 bucks a gear wrong

793
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,639
like the light turns green i've never

794
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,200
seen a car like squat down like it was

795
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,520
ready to pounce it squatted down to the

796
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,320
ground before it leapt into action

797
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,200
and just left me floundering in the blue

798
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,599
smoke and rocks

799
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,520
he does not play i'll tell you a story

800
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:55,280
real quick before we jump into all of

801
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,240
this

802
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:57,839
um

803
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:01,599
this is probably 19 i'm gonna guess 93

804
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,400
and van halen is uh rehearsing out here

805
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,359
at van nuys airport uh for a tour and

806
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,520
i'm out there at their rehearsal they're

807
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,079
doing it in an airplane hangar

808
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,320
and anybody out here that that hangs out

809
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,079
they know exactly what i'm talking about

810
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,839
yeah and uh

811
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,920
what van halen always did well anyway so

812
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,359
i'm out there

813
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,160
and i'm waiting uh

814
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,720
we're all waiting for hagar to show up

815
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,800
and out front of the airplane hangar

816
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,440
doors it looks like a lamborghini

817
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,599
ferrari dealership and i'm not kidding

818
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,880
right there's like four or five of them

819
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,160
sitting out there

820
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:38,800
and sammy pulls up and i think sammy was

821
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,320
driving a pantera or some something but

822
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,800
eddie jumps down off of the stage goes

823
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,520
out and these two yahoos out on the

824
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:50,000
tarmac of van nuys airport

825
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:53,200
are doing donuts

826
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,640
just smoke in the tires and and eddie

827
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,400
was driving a ferrari

828
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,640
and i forget what sammy had i wanted to

829
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,079
say it was a pantera but anyway they're

830
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,160
out there acting like kids

831
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,760
they were driving them like they stole

832
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,400
them yes yes those guys they know how to

833
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,160
drive you know they know what they're

834
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:12,400
doing and sami sammy's no joke and then

835
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,599
they just come in

836
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:15,359
and rehearse jump right up on stage and

837
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,480
look

838
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,000
yeah it doesn't get any better than that

839
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,680
does it it was uh it was a pretty cool

840
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,320
moment i was just like wow before cell

841
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,320
phone cameras and all of that so it's

842
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:26,079
just a moment i'm getting a i'm getting

843
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:27,839
a beeping in my ear here with this phone

844
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,640
is that

845
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,640
i don't hear it no i don't hear it so

846
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,880
yeah it's on your end huh okay well if

847
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,079
it persists

848
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:36,079
and i don't respond uh call me right

849
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,200
back

850
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,359
it's your client you're clear as a

851
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,079
whistle i think the nsa is happening

852
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,599
well you know that's a good way that's a

853
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,520
good spot to start you you've been

854
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,920
ruffling feathers for a long time young

855
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,800
man

856
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,000
and

857
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,560
have you ever had any interference from

858
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,880
the government has anybody ever

859
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,480
you know pulled you aside and said you

860
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,760
know check this out you're getting too

861
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:59,200
close to the fire you need to back up a

862
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,560
couple steps

863
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,960
you know i honestly the only thing that

864
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:04,400
i've ever stolen things that have ever

865
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,839
spooked me um i had

866
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,280
one email which could have very well

867
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,760
been just from a

868
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,200
i don't know could have just been from

869
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,760
someone who's seen me on tv or i i don't

870
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,960
know who it was

871
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,720
but they sent me it was right where

872
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,560
around the time when i broke the five

873
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,960
simonton story there it goes again can

874
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,200
you hear that nope

875
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,079
no you're good you're good keep going

876
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,160
sorry guys

877
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,640
can you hear that no it's a really loud

878
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,040
beep as though someone's pushing a a

879
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,359
button to dial a number wow that's alert

880
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,119
no you're clean on this end but in a

881
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,640
second it's going to go

882
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,040
your call is being recorded yeah right

883
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,200
well it's it's a long prolonged it's

884
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,800
like someone's fingers getting stuck on

885
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,880
the button but in any case um i was

886
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:50,000
right around the time when i broke the

887
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,280
five simon story we had a lot of

888
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,440
momentum and then we did we did a bunch

889
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,880
of larry king stuff and then we did the

890
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,880
national press club event and right

891
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:58,000
after that

892
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,200
um

893
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:01,359
i got an email that said stop doing what

894
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,440
you're doing or i'll put you to z and

895
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,320
had z's that got progressively smaller

896
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,440
like z z z oh put you to sleep

897
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,880
wow

898
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,880
that was one and then the other time was

899
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,520
was when i was in um stephenville texas

900
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,160
we were actually in it was it was uh

901
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,400
january of 2008

902
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,400
and we were filming in we were doing

903
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,440
some follow-up uh interviews for the

904
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,599
revamped version of out of the blue

905
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,359
there it goes again gosh

906
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:31,040
yeah just keep going you can ignore it

907
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,320
because we don't hear it on the sound

908
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,800
you guys can hear me over this i can't

909
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,320
i can't hear it there could you hear me

910
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:38,400
over that yeah you're good man very

911
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:39,520
strange i wish you could hear what i'm

912
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:42,560
hearing in any case um

913
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,960
i i we were on our way to o'hare airport

914
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,560
from phoenix doing some follow-up

915
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,839
interviews in phoenix we've got trigg

916
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:51,040
johnson and a number of other people

917
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,640
that saw the craft fly right over them

918
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,800
amazing testimony right and i got a call

919
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:57,359
from i get a call actually from cnn and

920
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,480
they said there's a huge sight in

921
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,119
stephenville texas um we'd like to have

922
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,280
you on larry king tomorrow night

923
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,280
and i said oh well gosh i looked into

924
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:06,960
the sighting a little bit that was the

925
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,520
the infamous stephenville you know

926
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,599
stephenville sighting case so i canceled

927
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,040
our trip to o'hare because we're going

928
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,800
to cover the hair stuff remember the

929
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,760
2006 right right over the airport

930
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,599
and i had a camera crew all ready to go

931
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,599
because we were already on the road

932
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,440
doing i know what i saw and we just

933
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,200
diverted our efforts to and we went

934
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:26,800
straight to stephenville we got there

935
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,760
like i actually went to new york i sent

936
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,760
the crew directly to stephenville there

937
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,359
was a town hall

938
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:35,200
meeting the next day

939
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,560
and um

940
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,040
and then i did i did a show on dnn with

941
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,119
larry king and then they flew me back

942
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,280
into stephenville the following morning

943
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,640
and um

944
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,560
we got really close to this witness uh

945
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:49,359
ricky sorrells he was a deer hunter and

946
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,640
um trying to give you the truncated

947
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,400
version but basically when we got to

948
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:54,079
this guy's house he was terrified he was

949
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,880
really

950
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,160
one of the most impressive witnesses

951
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,680
i've ever met he's in the film i know

952
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,359
what i saw

953
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:01,920
and um tough texan guy i mean yeah he's

954
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,160
a big dude yeah big guy man he's a tough

955
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,560
guy and he was really scared and he'd

956
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,960
been getting harassed by the air force

957
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,960
and they said i think he called him up

958
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,400
they had helicopters flying over his

959
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,440
property and

960
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,720
he called the local air force base and

961
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,720
he said look stop flying to choppers

962
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,000
super low over my house at night they

963
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,000
were lighting them up like daylight when

964
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:21,440
you go out you know to see what was

965
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,560
going on

966
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,119
and they said i suggest you stop talking

967
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,359
about what you saw

968
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,200
and really kind of spooked him and while

969
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,880
we were out with him

970
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,000
um

971
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,400
a fedex truck and this guy was off the

972
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,839
beaten path i mean he wasn't like you

973
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,839
wouldn't just randomly end up at his

974
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,560
house fedex truck pulled up at his place

975
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,480
and he'd been feeling watched and all of

976
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,040
the production crew they were with us

977
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:47,920
all felt just a little spooked

978
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,880
and we left the next day but

979
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,480
yeah that was those were the only two

980
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,800
times really i mean i felt like

981
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:56,640
something very major happened in

982
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,760
stephenville texas in 2008 and and uh

983
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,960
ricky sorrells is one of the best

984
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,280
witnesses i've ever met hands down yeah

985
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,520
and where he was out there too it was in

986
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,839
the middle of nowhere and you can tell

987
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,160
um i'll tell you what the other thing

988
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:12,000
for out of the blue with me was leslie

989
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,280
kane

990
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:16,079
she was oh i checked this out i i pulled

991
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,599
this up today

992
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,440
uh before we change subjects but i

993
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,880
pulled this up today

994
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,520
because out of the blue i've probably

995
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,640
watched it

996
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,960
i don't know 10 or 20 times believe it

997
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:28,319
or not i have

998
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,040
uh

999
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:31,680
yeah no it's only because there's so

1000
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,640
much there and and also i got to give

1001
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,000
you credit for

1002
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,359
for peter coyote because he i i don't

1003
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,200
know if you guys are buds growing up or

1004
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,200
why you thought of him

1005
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,920
but he really gives a good presentation

1006
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,640
and he's got the golden voice of doom

1007
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,440
and uh is so that that got that beeping

1008
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,599
in my ear again there we go now i'm back

1009
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,160
okay no i thought of peter county

1010
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,670
so uh but anyway i pulled pulled this up

1011
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,880
today

1012
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,440
four million six hundred and seventy

1013
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,839
three thousand six hundred and thirty

1014
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:10,079
five views on youtube

1015
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,839
you're kidding holy crapola

1016
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,079
for let me say that again you didn't

1017
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,079
know four million six hundred and

1018
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:19,760
seventy three thousand

1019
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,480
six hundred and thirty five views on

1020
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:24,720
youtube

1021
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,240
wow that's insane that's insane and that

1022
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,319
and that's interesting because you know

1023
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,040
it broadcast on on we sold it to nbc

1024
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,000
universal in 2002 and it broadcast

1025
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,920
probably 50 times

1026
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,760
on the sci-fi channel which did fairly

1027
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,200
well i don't know i think it was like

1028
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,359
two point the average view was 2 million

1029
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,440
or 2.4 million views

1030
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,200
per you know screening or maybe the

1031
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,800
first screening but it broadcasts over

1032
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,560
several years right so it must have been

1033
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:51,680
seen by

1034
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,319
millions of people on the sci-fi channel

1035
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,560
and um

1036
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,480
but i think it

1037
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,920
that ringing went back in the phone

1038
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,160
again but i think it uh it had a

1039
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,480
resurgence of life when we revamped it

1040
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,680
in 2006 right and um and then you know

1041
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:09,359
because i spent i spent five years

1042
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,400
making it

1043
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,440
with the with my two co-producers boris

1044
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,200
and tim coleman

1045
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,280
and we ran out of steam we were out of

1046
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:19,599
money it was i remember my online editor

1047
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,200
boris was in a fetal position you know

1048
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,920
begging for life basically and i really

1049
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,280
pushed him hard

1050
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,119
and then you know

1051
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,800
ran out of steam ran out of money and i

1052
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,400
just i guess that's when you're you know

1053
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,920
you're kind of done with the film

1054
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,680
we sold at nbc universal thank god

1055
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,680
because we were all broke

1056
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,440
and then when i got a letter from nbc

1057
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,280
universal like three years later that

1058
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,800
we're not going to renew the broadcast

1059
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,800
option i realized i'd owned it again and

1060
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,560
then i could revisit the film and revamp

1061
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,839
it and kind of do the things that i ran

1062
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:47,760
out of steam with so i spent two more

1063
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,640
years

1064
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,400
on out of the blue which was a lot of i

1065
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,800
mean you know it's a lot a lot of time

1066
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,280
um you know raising money and then

1067
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,800
that's when

1068
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,960
we put out of the blue kind of on bold

1069
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,640
and it sort of rolled over into i know

1070
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,880
what i saw so there were all these like

1071
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,200
conspiracies out on the internet that

1072
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,359
the government had shut me down but in

1073
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,119
actuality it was the agent saying look

1074
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,560
you know hold off on releasing out of

1075
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,319
the blue because it's got some parallel

1076
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,839
stuff in here for i know what i saw and

1077
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,240
it could jeopardize the sail with a e so

1078
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,680
that's why we put it on ice and then

1079
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,160
when we released out of the blue um just

1080
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,000
i mean we really released it like what

1081
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,520
two years ago maybe a little bit less

1082
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,920
right right it seems to it's done

1083
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,920
incredibly well i mean it's on vimeo and

1084
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:29,359
youtube and

1085
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,480
um

1086
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,560
you know well it's also

1087
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,480
because you've redone it so many times

1088
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,319
it's fine-tuned you know it's kind of

1089
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:38,319
like you know pink floyd when they took

1090
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:41,599
13 years to make you know an album

1091
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,720
you know

1092
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,280
it it just it's fine-tuned it's it's

1093
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:47,680
just a if you're going to show

1094
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:50,000
that type of documentary to somebody and

1095
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,920
i'm not blowing smoke here but if you're

1096
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:53,280
going to bring in somebody that doesn't

1097
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,040
understand ufology or the subject or

1098
00:45:01,349 --> 00:45:00,000
or maybe is a little bit skeptical

1099
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:01,359
but you know just somebody where you're

1100
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,640
just going to sit somebody down and

1101
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,960
introduce them to the genre

1102
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,880
that's what you really wanna

1103
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,640
that's what you wanna show them

1104
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:11,040
because it's honest it's straightforward

1105
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,400
all of the researchers that are

1106
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:13,920
presenting the stuff some of it is

1107
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,880
stunning all of the illinois stuff i

1108
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,400
mean it's just stunning stunning

1109
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,440
absolutely stunning and most people

1110
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,119
outside of ufology have never heard of

1111
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,040
the o'hare incident

1112
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,280
and the way that leslie presented in the

1113
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,800
film i mean

1114
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:31,119
she's like your school teacher mom that

1115
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,640
you're going to sit down and listen to

1116
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,160
and you know exactly what i'm talking

1117
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,079
about absolutely yeah absolutely yeah

1118
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,000
it's just it's really well done listen

1119
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,920
i'm going to change change gears a

1120
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,200
little bit because we're going to be

1121
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,720
talking documentaries all night but

1122
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,880
there's one thing you and i have never

1123
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,960
talked about this but i have to do this

1124
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,240
right now for me

1125
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,480
i've got to talk about

1126
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,920
what happened

1127
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:54,240
in ufo hunters with that prank that they

1128
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,280
pulled on

1129
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,319
okay oh oh well which which one is this

1130
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,000
the one with uh uh over um

1131
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,319
uh with uh i think i got a lot of pranks

1132
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:06,640
pulled on me

1133
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,160
with uh with um at uh at stan roman x it

1134
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:12,160
was at stan romanex house with the old

1135
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,750
with the head in the window okay so what

1136
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,480
about before before you tell the story

1137
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:26,560
yeah i'm going to say just let me say

1138
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:27,760
this

1139
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,640
we all all of us you myself everybody

1140
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:32,160
listening to the program right now we

1141
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:33,359
all want

1142
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,960
confirmation right we're you you've been

1143
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,440
killing it for so long right you've been

1144
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,400
working at this and working at this and

1145
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,040
the look on your face

1146
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:48,000
was uh it was it was like i could read

1147
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,359
your mind you were saying to yourself

1148
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,480
finally oh my it's right there

1149
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,160
and the look on your face i can't

1150
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,040
imagine the adrenaline rush that you had

1151
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,640
you're you know you're probably near a

1152
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,920
heart attack

1153
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,680
and and i'm not kidding you know what

1154
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,960
i'm talking about

1155
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,400
and and i'm worried

1156
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,800
and i'm watching this go down

1157
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,000
and it now now that's all i needed to

1158
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:12,400
say i'm i'm handing it over to you what

1159
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,670
are you there got that beeping again

1160
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,400
okay okay don't freak me out

1161
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,240
oh it's gone okay

1162
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,880
so what happened so you know there's

1163
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,040
always that little voice in the back

1164
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:29,040
your mind says

1165
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,000
what if

1166
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:31,760
you know maybe

1167
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,839
maybe there is uh truth to the video i'm

1168
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,520
not gonna make any judgments as to

1169
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,119
whether it's a valid video or not a

1170
00:47:42,550 --> 00:47:41,200
valid video i'm sus

1171
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,560
suspicious

1172
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,000
but there's always that little element

1173
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,680
of doubt in your mind like god well

1174
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:47,359
maybe just maybe

1175
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,359
uh

1176
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,599
this phenomenon whatever it may

1177
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,359
be could

1178
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,200
uh produce itself you know and there i

1179
00:48:01,430 --> 00:48:00,000
was alone in the dark monitoring these

1180
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,440
you know i had like

1181
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,760
five or six different you know monitors

1182
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,440
maybe more than that i don't remember

1183
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,400
actually

1184
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,920
and i just thought you know

1185
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,319
gosh wouldn't that be you know and out

1186
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:11,680
of the corner of my eye if you actually

1187
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:14,880
i i remember i actually saw it in the

1188
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,920
corner of my eye the thing poke itself

1189
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,280
up

1190
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:21,040
but i was in such disbelief over the

1191
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,400
whole thing that i just completely

1192
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,079
dismissed it and

1193
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,800
it treated it like it didn't happen

1194
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,800
and uh but but it did register in my

1195
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:30,559
mind funnily enough

1196
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,520
and then

1197
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,240
it came back a second time and it came

1198
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:36,319
up and then i locked eyes on and i

1199
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,359
thought

1200
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,880
okay well first of all let's do the

1201
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,400
process elimination here is someone

1202
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,319
pulling a prank on me what's going on

1203
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,000
right and you know you start doing that

1204
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,920
like where is everybody and

1205
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,839
and uh there's

1206
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,599
you know there's

1207
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,839
there's that element of my god is this

1208
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,839
really happening

1209
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,680
you know there's the practical side of

1210
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,280
you that's saying come on it couldn't be

1211
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:59,119
happening but they pulled that they

1212
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,480
pulled that stun on me and i was

1213
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,079
completely in the dark about it so there

1214
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,839
was a moment where i thought

1215
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,000
my god is this did i just think i mean

1216
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,920
did this just really happen or what's

1217
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:09,119
you know and i couldn't get a hold of

1218
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,480
anybody i couldn't figure out what you

1219
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,559
know and of course lo and behold it was

1220
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,800
it was it was it was ben

1221
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,240
pulling my leg but it was it was a

1222
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:17,599
pretty impressive he did a pretty good

1223
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,480
job he did a great job but it was to me

1224
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,960
it was completely uncool

1225
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,240
yeah so

1226
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,240
it was so uncool

1227
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:28,640
back again boy i wish i could record it

1228
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:29,920
you know what you want me to take a

1229
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,040
break and and we'll reset we can do that

1230
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,200
you want to do that let's just let's

1231
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,960
let's try it okay

1232
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,960
everybody we're on with james fox let's

1233
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,960
take a quick break going to reset the

1234
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:42,720
phone lines i'll be back right after

1235
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,599
this this is fade to black bespoke radio

1236
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,880
for the masses

1237
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:48,720
got some questions coming in for you uh

1238
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,079
mr fox on email got like six banged out

1239
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,520
so we'll get to those follow us on

1240
00:50:03,270 --> 00:49:55,760
twitter at g church radio we'll be back

1241
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:05,030
hi everybody this is rob for the mental

1242
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,150
what's up my name is brian taylor ninja

1243
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:14,559
badass extraordinaire and this is

1244
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:20,349
hey

1245
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:26,870
on the jimmychurchradio.com matter radio

1246
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,950
all right welcome back everybody fade to

1247
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,040
black

1248
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,880
bespoke radio for the masses shoot us an

1249
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,800
email to jimmy jimmychurchradio.com

1250
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,480
that's what you want to do

1251
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,160
you can also do it over on the contact

1252
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,800
page

1253
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,079
you can tweet

1254
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:58,400
at jchurchradio

1255
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,559
hashtag dmradionet jimmy you should tell

1256
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,440
james hold on here let me uh let me

1257
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,200
bring james in

1258
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,200
all right james you there yeah right

1259
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,200
here yeah see you sound great jimmy you

1260
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,160
should tell james about that phone call

1261
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,760
is being recorded well i kind of

1262
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,920
imitated that uh earlier that's from

1263
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,520
lynn in australia

1264
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:22,000
we were driving back from contact in the

1265
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:23,440
desert did i tell you about this on the

1266
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,319
phone

1267
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,920
did i tell you about this okay we're

1268
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:28,000
driving back from contact in the desert

1269
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,680
we're talking to uh

1270
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,599
to keith you you know keith rowland from

1271
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,760
art belt and we're talking to keith on

1272
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:36,800
the phone uh my wife and i rolling down

1273
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,520
the freeway and we're about well we're

1274
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,359
probably we're feeling like we're about

1275
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,040
halfway through this phone call we got a

1276
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,440
lot more to to discuss

1277
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,960
and been on the phone for about 10

1278
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,559
minutes when we hear this

1279
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,079
your phone call is being recorded bpp

1280
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,839
it's like what

1281
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,440
i go do you hear that because it was on

1282
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,960
the you know bluetooth in my car going

1283
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,960
through the speakers keith goes i did

1284
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,319
hear that

1285
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:02,079
and i'm like you know and keith goes you

1286
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,920
know that's the nsa for you and i said

1287
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:05,040
you know what

1288
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,640
i need to uh

1289
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,760
i need to

1290
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,280
fart in the microphone that's what i

1291
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,920
said i shouldn't i should and and uh and

1292
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:14,079
keith goes by and i said bye and we just

1293
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,040
hung up

1294
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,680
but that was bizarre you know just i

1295
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,599
never heard i've i've

1296
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,839
i'm i'm not a young guy i've made a lot

1297
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,079
of phone calls in my life i've never had

1298
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,000
that and that that was uh i think they'd

1299
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,520
be a little more discreet about it by

1300
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:30,559
the way your phone calls really you know

1301
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,440
we

1302
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,040
i got a bunch of me i kind of already

1303
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,359
assumed this yeah right exactly and i've

1304
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,359
gotten so many emails about it just

1305
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,119
saying maybe they were just you know

1306
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,200
shooting that was the shot across the

1307
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,280
bow you know they're just letting you

1308
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,880
know we're here

1309
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,800
it was uh it was bizarre we'll see if it

1310
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,240
ever happens again you have to think of

1311
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,640
it this way i mean if ufos are real

1312
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:52,160
then you know people out there

1313
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,839
researching it and trying to get the

1314
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:55,760
information out to the general public

1315
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,480
would naturally be

1316
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,240
monitored i mean i would imagine they

1317
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,200
would wouldn't you absolutely yeah so

1318
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,880
and i'm obviously convinced that they're

1319
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:06,559
real and

1320
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,640
anyone who looks into it with an open

1321
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,880
mind and reviews the evidence is

1322
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,559
convinced they're real

1323
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,040
so uh they're probably monitoring our

1324
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:18,880
activities well

1325
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,319
for you okay let me um before because uh

1326
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,079
and i'm gonna tell you something before

1327
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,359
i forget okay there there's there's a

1328
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,200
one of the cases that we're featuring

1329
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,359
actually tracy tormey's i guess going to

1330
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:33,359
join us tonight but yes when tracy and i

1331
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,720
kind of partnered up about a year and a

1332
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,920
half ago

1333
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,200
he we were kind of going over some of

1334
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,640
the cases and i was talking about some

1335
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:40,000
of the cases that i felt that we should

1336
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,119
focus on

1337
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,000
and he brought up the 1964 secor new

1338
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,400
mexico case officer zamora of course i'd

1339
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,240
heard of it but it didn't really dug

1340
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,599
into it right and i was so grateful that

1341
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,000
that tracy was so adamantly you know put

1342
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,640
forth that proposal to really kind of

1343
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,559
cover that case because it was a turning

1344
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,559
point for you know dr heineck and it was

1345
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,280
one of the best i mean it's the

1346
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:05,520
the symbol case the pivotal case that

1347
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,400
really

1348
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,920
uh you know the air force just simply

1349
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,359
could not provide

1350
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,160
prozac explanation for but anyway i'm i

1351
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,160
go to interview uh obviously lonnie

1352
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,960
zamora died in 2008 but i went and met

1353
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,000
with his

1354
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,520
wife mary

1355
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,280
and i spent actually the better part of

1356
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,839
two weeks with her and i got her

1357
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:25,680
comfortable enough to go on camera and

1358
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,400
and

1359
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,480
really go through his archive it was

1360
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,400
phenomenal i really actually

1361
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:33,359
very very much like mary zamora i

1362
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,800
i actually keep in touch with her and

1363
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:36,559
she's she calls me and checks in on my

1364
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,800
new baby and we're very very close

1365
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,160
along with the rest of his family but

1366
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,319
she told me that he had the sighting at

1367
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:43,839
5 30 p.m

1368
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:47,680
on april 24 1964

1369
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:50,800
and at 6 30 the military showed up

1370
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:53,520
and they took him into an interrogation

1371
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,400
room

1372
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:56,000
uh where they didn't release him until

1373
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,520
three o'clock in the morning when she

1374
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,040
told me on camera that when he came out

1375
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:00,960
he was he was white as a ghost and he

1376
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,839
never

1377
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,359
ever spoke to his wife about the

1378
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:04,960
incident ever again

1379
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,839
with with with zamora this is

1380
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,240
is officer police officer lonnie zamora

1381
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,160
this is the thing with him for me on

1382
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,960
that case and once you dig into it like

1383
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,559
you just did

1384
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:19,280
um is that this is the thing it wasn't

1385
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,559
so much

1386
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,160
i mean his sighting and what happened to

1387
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,599
him and on the uh you know up on the

1388
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:25,119
ridge and looking down and seeing what

1389
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,480
he saw okay i

1390
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,400
that's fine but it was the other

1391
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,720
sightings around town that were

1392
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:32,079
happening too

1393
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,359
about that

1394
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:35,440
yeah and and and you know the gas

1395
00:55:42,790 --> 00:55:41,829
they didn't know what was going on they

1396
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:42,800
didn't know

1397
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,480
him being on the radio they just they're

1398
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,040
like hey man uh this is a crazy town you

1399
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,119
guys got crazy stuff flying overhead

1400
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,880
what is that you know really interesting

1401
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,119
about it is i really started dig my

1402
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,960
teeth into it matter of fact i went to

1403
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,559
the national archives

1404
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,079
um

1405
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,160
it was six months about six months ago

1406
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,400
and i actually long story but i managed

1407
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:06,240
to get my hands on

1408
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:09,280
the original not the not the photocopies

1409
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,040
not the microfiche the original folder

1410
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,880
from that period out of project blue

1411
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,400
book files

1412
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,000
and i remember i was talking to a number

1413
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,720
of former military guys i was talking to

1414
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,559
colonel bob friend and i was asking him

1415
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,720
like where can i find the originals not

1416
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,079
the microfiches and they're like well

1417
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,079
maybe alabama maybe it's at the

1418
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:30,240
university of you know maybe it's here

1419
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,599
nobody really knew i talked to colonel

1420
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:33,040
william coleman who was a public

1421
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,400
spokesperson for the united states air

1422
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,640
force project blue book right i think in

1423
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,480
the um

1424
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,720
early 60s

1425
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,200
and anyway and and everyone just they

1426
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,040
didn't really know and so i really

1427
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,280
lucked out and i got my hands on these

1428
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:49,599
these original documents which i feature

1429
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,559
some of them

1430
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,240
in the uh

1431
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:53,760
one of the trailers on the on the

1432
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,799
website right now 701 the movie.com as

1433
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,720
well as some of the documents but one of

1434
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,880
the things that blew my mind was the

1435
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:03,280
fact that the air force

1436
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,319
really tried to downplay the fact that

1437
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,799
he saw occupants okay but when you get

1438
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,240
into their own files you'll see not only

1439
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,400
did he see occupants but there was

1440
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:14,000
physical evidence on the ground that

1441
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,520
corroborated his story there were

1442
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,839
footprints from the creatures that were

1443
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,760
exactly where he said they were they

1444
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:21,680
measured the length of them the depth of

1445
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,640
them

1446
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,240
got the average you know an idea of the

1447
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:26,400
weight they were like five inches long

1448
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:28,000
in a weird shape

1449
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,760
um you know obviously had the landing

1450
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,319
pods and the distance apart with those

1451
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,720
and the burnt brush and the vitrified

1452
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,640
soil like there was just so much

1453
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,960
evidence and then

1454
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,319
you know the air force again is trying

1455
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,920
to say oh it's a single witness case

1456
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,040
because they really want to again

1457
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,480
downplay it they didn't want him talking

1458
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,960
about the beans they wanted him to say

1459
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,240
he saw

1460
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,799
white coveralls yeah engineers right

1461
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:53,520
right total baloney right right and but

1462
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,799
when you actually go into the air force

1463
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:56,400
files you'll see that there were letters

1464
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,359
sent by the local news media saying look

1465
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,119
we actually did a story if you didn't

1466
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,359
notice by the way dr heineck we did a

1467
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,880
story in the you know tribune or

1468
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,880
whatever here it is right here here are

1469
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,440
the two witnesses that saw it land here

1470
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,359
the family of people that were driving

1471
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,599
that saw and take out you know all these

1472
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,839
different stories going you know the air

1473
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,720
force is floundering trying to like you

1474
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,480
know really downplay this whole thing

1475
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:22,319
and there there's letters actually like

1476
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:23,680
i said you go to the website you can see

1477
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,400
in the in the archive section you'll see

1478
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:27,760
like you know members of congress

1479
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,119
inquiries coming in from the office of

1480
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,839
the president like and the air force is

1481
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,200
shaking in their boots like what do we

1482
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:35,200
tell

1483
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:36,799
they everybody had a tough time with

1484
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:39,119
that case anyway it's a phenomenal i

1485
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:40,079
think it's one of the best close

1486
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,440
encounters of the third kind in u.s

1487
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,920
history well the um

1488
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:45,680
everybody should just everybody should

1489
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,000
just uh go check out 701 themovie.com

1490
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,680
tracy will be with us in a few minutes

1491
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,079
and we'll start to jump into that i went

1492
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:56,960
and i i tore the website apart today by

1493
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,760
the way i went i watched everything

1494
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,480
and i gotta tell you

1495
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,440
the zimbabwe case well both of them oh

1496
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:07,359
here's tracy let me let's let's grab

1497
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,309
tracy oh hold on hi are you hold on let

1498
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:17,040
me make sure that you can hear

1499
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,319
james say hi james hi

1500
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,240
yeah i can hear james okay great how are

1501
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:24,319
you tracy i'm good thank you how are you

1502
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,200
i i am great thank you i have a big long

1503
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,280
intro prepared for you shall i go

1504
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,280
through it or just say everybody

1505
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,200
tracy tormey welcome to the show are you

1506
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,880
cool with it if you if you have time to

1507
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:36,960
go through it sure

1508
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:40,960
uh well i can't hear tracy uh hold on

1509
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:44,000
let me crank tracy up okay tracy

1510
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,599
you sho everybody should be

1511
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,240
communicating now tracy can you hear me

1512
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:49,920
yeah i can hear you fine

1513
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:52,640
i can hear tracy but he's faint okay

1514
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,160
very faint he's not now

1515
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:58,960
i guarantee it okay peabody

1516
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,440
award-winning screen writer producer

1517
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,440
tracy tormey became a creator of

1518
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,000
television as well as a show runner

1519
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,680
which by the way i'm going to interrupt

1520
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:08,799
on this

1521
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,440
most people tracy well and james you

1522
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:14,400
guys can appreciate this show runner

1523
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:16,160
uh for everybody across the united

1524
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:17,680
states they don't have a clue but it's

1525
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:20,319
probably the most important position

1526
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:21,599
of any

1527
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,839
television production

1528
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,599
yeah i guess in tv it's also an

1529
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,200
executive producer it's pretty much the

1530
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,440
same thing right and when you hear show

1531
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:31,280
runner and it sounds like an intern

1532
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:33,680
getting coffee

1533
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,319
you know that is not the case so i just

1534
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:38,640
wanted to stop i almost changed uh the

1535
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:39,680
wording

1536
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,319
uh but anyway uh credits include

1537
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:44,480
saturday night live star trek the next

1538
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,440
generation contact i am legend

1539
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:49,680
carnival intruders

1540
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,960
odyssey five fire in the sky i saw uh

1541
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,720
travis over the weekend by the way he

1542
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,119
does that right yes absolutely he has

1543
01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,920
worked with bob dylan buddy rich

1544
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,319
howard stern and co-authored novels with

1545
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,359
jacques vale he's a los angeles native

1546
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:08,240
and lives here with his wife robin two

1547
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,200
cats

1548
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,760
and five rescue dogs i have three rescue

1549
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:13,920
dogs myself so they're good for you good

1550
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,960
for you absolutely i just rescued uh our

1551
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,240
third dog

1552
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,480
was literally living

1553
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,400
now that one we heard

1554
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:24,720
that one we heard

1555
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,559
that was bizarre are you with us james

1556
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:31,119
wow yeah now i can't hear james yeah

1557
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,880
james has been having phone problems

1558
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:35,200
tracy i uh we'll see if he comes back

1559
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,319
with us

1560
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,240
i'm on sorry i just got that beeping was

1561
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,200
in there okay um the uh

1562
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,920
uh our third dog was living on the honda

1563
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,000
lot uh down the street

1564
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,160
and was living in between cars in the

1565
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:50,240
middle of winter nobody could catch a

1566
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:51,760
little tiny little white thing i don't

1567
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,160
know what she is she's really cute

1568
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,319
but she avoided everybody she just

1569
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,319
showed up on the lot down there

1570
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,480
and i was driving by and i said you know

1571
01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:02,319
what that's it i've been watching her

1572
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,040
out here for three months as i drive by

1573
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,920
and she's like in the just living there

1574
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,319
and so me and the honda salesman we

1575
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,319
backed up my car opened up the back door

1576
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,400
and we corralled her in i brought her

1577
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,720
home threw her in the tub and she is the

1578
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:18,960
happiest most thankful

1579
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:21,520
she's in a warm house with a doggie door

1580
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:24,319
and food every day she is funny funny

1581
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:25,760
you say that because what i was going to

1582
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,920
say was once you rescue them they

1583
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:29,520
somehow have a way of knowing that

1584
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,119
they've been rescued they are they're

1585
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,119
eternally grateful all i have to do is

1586
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,520
look at her and her tail wags right off

1587
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:37,839
of her body it's just like wonderful

1588
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:42,240
wonderful adorable all right so anyway

1589
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,319
yeah doggies i you know when you're a

1590
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:46,480
dog person like you are tracy and like i

1591
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,920
am and anybody else out there that's

1592
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,920
listening you guys get it the rest of

1593
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:52,160
you go get a dog and then yeah boy

1594
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,839
that's that everything i just hey i'm

1595
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,760
driving across the country with my dog

1596
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:57,920
right now yeah i was listening

1597
01:03:01,430 --> 01:03:00,079
i was talking to a james earlier tracy

1598
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,440
and that's all i heard were dogs in the

1599
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,599
background i'm like man james is cool

1600
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:05,280
james is all right

1601
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:09,359
yeah everybody everybody gets sick of

1602
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,040
the fact that when we have conference

1603
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,119
calls at some point some of my dogs

1604
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:15,119
always start barking and interrupting us

1605
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,799
in the middle you know what and if they

1606
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,640
don't get it if they don't get it screw

1607
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,920
them yeah

1608
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,680
i'm serious and you know what i'm

1609
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:23,119
talking about that's it that's the end

1610
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:26,480
of the story so uh tracy we were uh we

1611
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:28,720
were just talking about the zamora case

1612
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:31,599
but before we get into some of the stuff

1613
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:35,039
uh with 701 and i the

1614
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,160
i watched the outtakes or trailers uh or

1615
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:39,920
whatever your clips that you have on the

1616
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:42,240
website i was watching those today

1617
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:43,760
and uh

1618
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:44,559
the

1619
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:54,720
aren't front burner

1620
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,359
subjects for all of us in ufology and

1621
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:59,760
that zimbabwe case how you guys did it

1622
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:01,119
we're going to get into that i'm just

1623
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:05,119
saying before we do unbelievable

1624
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:06,000
stuff

1625
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:08,000
that's good i'm glad you liked it oh man

1626
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:11,200
everybody go over to 701 the movie.com

1627
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,440
just go under cases and they've got

1628
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,599
kenneth arnold and his daughter that's

1629
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:17,839
incredible by the way they've got lonnie

1630
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,640
zamora but uh the zimbabwe case and the

1631
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:22,160
virginia case

1632
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:24,160
watch those first

1633
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:25,599
ones those two

1634
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:27,680
absolutely unbelievable okay so with

1635
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:28,480
that

1636
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,599
for you tracy uh with your family in

1637
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,119
entertainment we all know who your

1638
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,000
father is uh mel and and thankful for

1639
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:38,400
his contribution to christmas but

1640
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,200
um

1641
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,680
uh for you how did you i don't want to

1642
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:44,160
ask the generic question but for you

1643
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,359
it's it's very relevant how did you

1644
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,520
how did what happened in your life what

1645
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:51,760
happened that you're here now

1646
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:54,319
uh working with james

1647
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,240
well the specifically working with james

1648
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:58,799
came from the fact that i saw uh his

1649
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,280
film uh i know what i saw

1650
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:03,520
and uh i thought one of the things that

1651
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,160
struck me about it was that i often

1652
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,480
try to you know convince people that

1653
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,640
don't believe in this stuff that there

1654
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,480
is really something to it

1655
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:14,640
and i thought it was a really good way

1656
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,640
of i mean the approach of that film was

1657
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,480
really uh constructive

1658
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,079
it was like something that i would want

1659
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,480
to show to somebody that doesn't believe

1660
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,559
that there's anything to the subject

1661
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,480
they would be able to see that film and

1662
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,559
then maybe change their mind

1663
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,440
so i just made a decision to uh to

1664
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:33,200
contact james and tell them how much i

1665
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,640
enjoyed the film

1666
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,400
and that's where it all started and then

1667
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:38,160
we both realized that we both sort of

1668
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:39,839
thought there was a need out there for a

1669
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:42,960
feature film about the subject that

1670
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:45,440
there had been a lot of stuff on tv

1671
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:47,839
admittedly but that there was a if we

1672
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:50,000
could if we could launch a feature that

1673
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:51,760
would approach the subject and really

1674
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:53,440
try to get to the bottom of what it's

1675
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:55,839
all about and separate the myth from the

1676
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,319
reality we both kind of realized that

1677
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,839
that was something we had in common and

1678
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,839
that's where this all started really and

1679
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:03,760
so when you say feature you're referring

1680
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:06,799
to production value editing shot right

1681
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:09,119
the right cameras getting it done right

1682
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:10,319
um

1683
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,520
you know the a hollywood polish that

1684
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,839
would appeal to the masses is that what

1685
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,599
you're referring to yeah just something

1686
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:19,200
which had have a theater going

1687
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,200
experience where you'd go into a movie

1688
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:23,520
theater and see something on this

1689
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,640
subject

1690
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:27,039
uh and you know we we realized from the

1691
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:28,559
beginning it needed to be unique and it

1692
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:30,160
needed to be different than a lot of the

1693
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:33,119
stuff that has been done on tv and if if

1694
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,960
that had not been our goal if our goal

1695
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,640
had not been to get into movie theaters

1696
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:38,640
i would not have been interested because

1697
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:40,000
i've already done

1698
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,760
all kinds of stuff on this subject over

1699
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,440
the years and i kind of

1700
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,880
felt like you know i've said what i have

1701
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,280
to say but uh when it was the

1702
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:49,359
possibility of making this a movie going

1703
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,720
experience then i thought that was

1704
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,480
exciting and that's what really enticed

1705
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,920
me to do it

1706
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,839
with uh with all of the stuff that

1707
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,599
you've been involved with going back to

1708
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,119
fire in the sky

1709
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,160
uh and travis has been on this show we

1710
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:04,079
saw him over the weekend at contact in

1711
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:05,680
the desert again

1712
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:07,359
i don't know if it's

1713
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:10,000
if it could be that case but with with

1714
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:11,760
all of your research what's the one

1715
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:14,079
standout case or could it be travis

1716
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:15,280
walton

1717
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:17,039
well you know it's interesting

1718
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,960
because i think there's a mora case that

1719
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:21,280
you mentioned briefly uh which is in the

1720
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,200
trailer that you've seen

1721
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:25,119
i find that to be the most compelling

1722
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,799
case because you have a extremely

1723
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:31,520
reliable witness or series of witnesses

1724
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,440
you have physical evidence you have the

1725
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:35,280
ground is burning after the object

1726
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,240
leaves you have the pod marks you have

1727
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,799
the footprints of the beings

1728
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,400
and this was the case that really

1729
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,880
changed alan heineck's mind right uh

1730
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,480
alan heineck you know he went from being

1731
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,799
the number one debunker in the world

1732
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,640
to being the pretty much the number one

1733
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:52,799
proponent in the world and it was really

1734
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:55,839
the zamora case that just astonished him

1735
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:57,920
and that he tried and tried i i have

1736
01:08:02,789 --> 01:08:00,720
letters that he sent that he exchanged

1737
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:02,799
with people trying to explain what had

1738
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,640
happened and they just struck out

1739
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:07,280
completely there was nothing that was

1740
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,319
terrestrial there was nothing that was

1741
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,119
built in detroit or moscow or anywhere

1742
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:15,359
like that right that had caused this

1743
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:16,400
incident

1744
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,159
and so for me i keep coming back to that

1745
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,080
case because i think it's the strongest

1746
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:26,000
one around

1747
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,839
what was it like for you to shop this in

1748
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:29,759
hollywood

1749
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,239
well um it was interesting it wasn't the

1750
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:34,000
usual experience of shopping in

1751
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:35,440
hollywood you know it took me six and a

1752
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:36,719
half years

1753
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,319
to do i am to do uh fire in the sky it

1754
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:43,199
took me 11 years to get i am legend off

1755
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,319
the ground

1756
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:46,799
so i'm used to these long hauls where

1757
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,359
you go from studio to studio

1758
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,839
and you know you you're not really that

1759
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,080
successful at every place you go to you

1760
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,159
have to really be in it for the marathon

1761
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,839
right right so this was different

1762
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,279
because this was something where there

1763
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,960
were people right off the bat that were

1764
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:02,719
interested in james and i working

1765
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:03,839
together

1766
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:06,560
and they uh funded the first six hundred

1767
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,159
thousand dollars of what we've spent on

1768
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,239
the film right away you know there

1769
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:12,960
wasn't that period of going around from

1770
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,799
place to place trying to sell things

1771
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,960
right and that was nice too that was a

1772
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,080
nice change

1773
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:20,799
did you have to find uh

1774
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:23,520
a studio exec and you can say i don't

1775
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:25,359
know you may deny that did you have to

1776
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:27,040
find a studio exactly that was a

1777
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,480
believer

1778
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:30,560
well

1779
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:33,359
sorry go ahead or witness you know

1780
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,759
most times in these cases you do have to

1781
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,600
find somebody like that

1782
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:39,279
uh and you do you know that's what

1783
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:40,799
happened with fire in the sky was

1784
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,080
actually brandon tartakov who had just

1785
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,000
taken over paramount

1786
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:48,640
and he found the story really compelling

1787
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,000
so after many long years of pitching it

1788
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,080
uh we finally had a buyer you know and

1789
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:56,320
usually that's the way it works it's not

1790
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,320
quite the case with pri with uh 701 um

1791
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,040
the 701 we had some people that were

1792
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,159
very generous with their pocketbooks a

1793
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,320
producer named larry who

1794
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,640
came along and really told us whatever

1795
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,560
you need i'll put it up

1796
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:14,480
so we managed to go out and really do

1797
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:17,199
the documentary side of the movie

1798
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:20,400
already we've already done that um now

1799
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,080
it's the more feature area of

1800
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,880
slightly fictionalized area because this

1801
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,760
film is a hybrid it's a unusual mixture

1802
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,080
of documentary and fiction

1803
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,800
uh and uh so it's in that way we think

1804
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,239
it's a bit different than what people

1805
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,640
have really seen in other places well uh

1806
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:40,239
i'll throw this out there to the both of

1807
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:41,679
you while you guys were out there

1808
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,640
shooting uh obviously you probably went

1809
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:46,080
around the world certainly all over the

1810
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,679
country i was trying to chase you guys

1811
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:49,679
down when you were shooting in socorro

1812
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,480
by the way and and tobias just couldn't

1813
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,320
uh get through to you guys and that's a

1814
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,480
whole nother story but anyway i know

1815
01:11:02,950 --> 01:10:58,400
that you guys want did anything unusual

1816
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,910
uh

1817
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:05,679
well you know yeah we have been all over

1818
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:07,040
the place we've been in brazil we've

1819
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:09,120
been in south america we've been in

1820
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:11,360
all over new mexico and we're going back

1821
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:12,480
pretty soon

1822
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:13,679
um

1823
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,239
as far as something unusual happening i

1824
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:18,320
mean this is something we can't talk too

1825
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:21,280
much about but we do have an inside

1826
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,320
source

1827
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:24,159
who has a lot of knowledge about this

1828
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,480
subject from a very high place

1829
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,480
that we have been working in conjunction

1830
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:30,239
with since we started

1831
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,000
and we kind of have to keep that under

1832
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,480
wraps we we don't want to uh blow

1833
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,560
anyone's cover or anything like that but

1834
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,719
it is safe to say that we have had an

1835
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,400
inside source that has helped us and

1836
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,719
steered us in the right direction

1837
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,719
is it going to be in the film

1838
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,120
well there is a composite character that

1839
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,440
is based largely on who this source is

1840
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:51,360
yes but it's not we're not going to be

1841
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,800
able to use the

1842
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,800
the real name involved

1843
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,280
um for his own you know safety and his

1844
01:12:02,229 --> 01:11:59,199
own his own protection

1845
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:02,239
but it has been valuable to us in

1846
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,960
in knowing sort of what things to go for

1847
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:06,880
and what things to pass on i think we've

1848
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:11,520
used his council in that way did you

1849
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,360
consult with him before the film or did

1850
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,120
he approach you guys after the

1851
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,600
production had started no it actually

1852
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:19,600
started pretty early in the process

1853
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:20,560
where

1854
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:22,960
somebody became aware that we were doing

1855
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:23,920
this

1856
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:27,520
and interesting hopefully and

1857
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,480
and offered some uh assistance to us and

1858
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:31,679
we've been

1859
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,360
using him as a source uh ever since um

1860
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,199
so that did happen actually pretty early

1861
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:39,360
on before we had done most of our

1862
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,960
interviews or anything like that hey

1863
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:42,640
james was this somebody that you were

1864
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,040
aware of uh beforehand

1865
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:47,840
gosh you know i can't hear tracy at all

1866
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,640
you can't hear tracy at all he sounds

1867
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:53,440
like he's on the moon okay

1868
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,320
okay i've i've got him cranked now uh

1869
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:58,320
james the question was this source was

1870
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:00,400
this somebody that you were already

1871
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,000
aware of or was this

1872
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,480
somebody fresh for you somebody fresh

1873
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:06,560
for me no kidding

1874
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,199
yeah oh man you guys are killing me

1875
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:11,440
you're killing me

1876
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:15,280
uh believe me we would we would love to

1877
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,000
be able to talk about it or very openly

1878
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,080
but we made a commitment a very solemn

1879
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,320
commitment to uh protect the identity of

1880
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,640
this person and uh

1881
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:26,800
suffice it to say that he's in a very

1882
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:29,120
helpful position for us i mean he's

1883
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,800
somebody who has inside knowledge of the

1884
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,880
way things really kind of work in this

1885
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,960
subject and who knows what and who

1886
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:38,880
doesn't and one of the catchphrases for

1887
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:41,199
the film that we're going to use is it's

1888
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,880
not about what they know it's about what

1889
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:44,239
they don't know

1890
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:45,600
and that's kind of one of the big

1891
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:48,960
surprises that that's happened to us is

1892
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,280
being able to find out really uh at the

1893
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,280
highest levels of people that take this

1894
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:56,080
subject seriously and god knows there

1895
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,840
are not enough of them but for those

1896
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,520
people that are in high places to take

1897
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:01,440
the subject seriously

1898
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,199
it's really not about what they know

1899
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,880
it's about what they don't know

1900
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,199
one of this is a comment i was going to

1901
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,120
ask this question but this just came in

1902
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,920
on twitter and it's it's

1903
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:13,760
it's actually spot on

1904
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:15,120
how can you

1905
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,960
combine a documentary style with

1906
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:21,360
with hollywood what how did you do what

1907
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:23,199
is the approach of the film

1908
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:25,360
well it is a really unique approach i

1909
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:27,280
can tell you from working on the script

1910
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,400
that

1911
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,880
it's unlike anything i i can only think

1912
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,560
of a couple of other films that have

1913
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,560
ever even sort of gone down

1914
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:36,239
that road

1915
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:39,199
we are doing a blend of telling a

1916
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,320
documentary type of story but using sort

1917
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:45,440
of a fictional template for it

1918
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,320
so we have a couple of major characters

1919
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:51,040
that are basically composite characters

1920
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:53,120
who take us through the film

1921
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:55,600
and have discussions about certain

1922
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,159
things that have happened in ufo history

1923
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,560
which we then show

1924
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,360
elements of that documentary style

1925
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,679
i hope that explains it um

1926
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,280
well you're

1927
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,560
it sort of does is it like a character a

1928
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:13,199
a reporter or

1929
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,880
you know what's the who is the main

1930
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:16,800
character let's just our main character

1931
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:19,679
is based on our source okay um we use a

1932
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,159
fictional name but he's based uh largely

1933
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,480
on our source so he's in the character

1934
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:26,480
his is in the film his

1935
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,960
name in the film is grayson walker

1936
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:30,960
which is not his real name

1937
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:34,320
and then we have a camera person

1938
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:37,520
named takasugi a japanese american guy

1939
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:40,719
who is hired by 701

1940
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:43,360
to basically get everything that that

1941
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,800
grayson walker has to say on camera

1942
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:48,880
so we follow the two of them on an

1943
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,640
odyssey together as they get to know

1944
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,800
each other and as grayson walker

1945
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:54,960
basically tells uh

1946
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:58,400
takasugi uh the history of the phenomena

1947
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,120
and the things that we as filmmakers

1948
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:03,600
have decided are the most pertinent and

1949
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,000
important things that have happened in

1950
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:07,840
the history of ufos

1951
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:10,400
going back to the war of the worlds

1952
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:13,120
experience from 1938 which we believe

1953
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,000
sort of

1954
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,560
set in motion how ufos were going to be

1955
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:18,640
treated right and then going back to the

1956
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:21,520
1947 wave and of course kenneth arnold

1957
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:23,120
right and going all the way through

1958
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,600
present day to brand new

1959
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:27,440
cases that nobody has ever really heard

1960
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:30,080
of yet how are you guys i have you guys

1961
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,520
completely wrapped are you in

1962
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:34,080
post-production now oh no we we still

1963
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:35,920
have a long way to go we we've we've

1964
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:37,120
sort of

1965
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:40,000
done the documentary side of the film is

1966
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:43,199
done we have 44 interviews in the can

1967
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:44,800
with people we found to be the most

1968
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,679
compelling on the subject in history so

1969
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,760
we have 44 interviews done and we've

1970
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,080
gone to new mexico we've gone to brazil

1971
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:54,159
we've gone to several places but we have

1972
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,360
a long way to go yet on the uh more

1973
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:59,760
fictionalized elements of the movie it's

1974
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:01,520
going to take a while

1975
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:04,640
were probably still about i would say

1976
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,640
you know eight to ten months away from

1977
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:08,640
coming out with this film oh man that's

1978
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:11,600
too long yeah that's way

1979
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:14,239
too long somebody just tweeted you guys

1980
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:15,920
your next documentary needs to be on the

1981
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:19,040
malibu deep underwater base

1982
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:20,880
i was just in malibu all day yesterday

1983
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:22,719
so that's interesting they say that did

1984
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:25,520
you uh i i don't know if you know this

1985
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,400
uh tracy but we were the ones to uh to

1986
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:31,440
bring that out uh this show and our our

1987
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:32,640
team here

1988
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:35,440
we uh uh i brought that out that's uh

1989
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:38,000
that's our little baby and uh we flew

1990
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:39,280
over it

1991
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:42,080
uh two weeks ago and shot some video

1992
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:43,120
uh

1993
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:46,000
you

1994
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:47,679
well let me throw this back to james

1995
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:49,199
really quick james what did you think

1996
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:50,239
today

1997
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:52,000
uh when you saw those pictures for the

1998
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:57,110
james

1999
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,199
sorry that deeping is just is persistent

2000
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:01,199
i don't know i just got i just all i

2001
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:03,199
heard was the first time oh uh what did

2002
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:04,960
you think when you saw the malibu uh

2003
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:07,120
pictures today for the first time well i

2004
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:08,480
wanted to spend more time looking at it

2005
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:10,000
but i mean there's clearly what what

2006
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:11,600
appears to be an artificial structure

2007
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:12,640
under there but

2008
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,199
but it's uh you know i i haven't taken

2009
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:17,120
the time as you have to look into it

2010
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:18,800
further but it's it's very impressive

2011
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,520
it's it have you seen it tracy no i'm

2012
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,360
i've got to be admit i'm i'm new to all

2013
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:25,440
this i i if i'd known there was

2014
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:26,880
something out there to look at i

2015
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,640
literally spent all day yesterday in

2016
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,120
malibu uh and i know i did not know

2017
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:33,600
about this so um fascinated though

2018
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:35,679
what's this all about it's a structure

2019
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,400
that we found in between

2020
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:41,120
uh magu and doom

2021
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:43,520
uh and you know that stretch of pch

2022
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:46,560
right there oh yeah okay so it's dead

2023
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,280
center between magoo and doom it sits

2024
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:51,199
about uh

2025
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:54,239
between five and six miles out into the

2026
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:58,159
ocean uh it sits about

2027
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,040
50 meter about 150 feet underneath the

2028
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:02,719
surface of the ocean depending on the

2029
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,760
tide and it is one mile

2030
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:07,520
by two miles

2031
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,480
uh it's an oval it's a and then it's got

2032
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:13,199
a platform on on the top it's a perfect

2033
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:15,440
oval like shaped like an egg or like a

2034
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:17,679
racetrack and an oval

2035
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:21,280
and it uh it is supported it's about

2036
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:24,960
500 feet thick the roof approximately

2037
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:26,800
supported by

2038
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:28,480
five

2039
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:29,600
pillars

2040
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,400
and it looks like uh well look there's

2041
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,719
uh just imagine two pillars on one side

2042
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,640
two pillars on the other with the huge

2043
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:42,480
entrance in the middle

2044
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:45,440
and and you look at this and

2045
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:47,360
just like james said it's just it looks

2046
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:50,560
completely art it looks looks like any

2047
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:51,840
man-made

2048
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:54,719
large parking garage on steroids that

2049
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,239
you've ever seen

2050
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,159
can you literally drive right up to it

2051
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:00,239
and look at it i know it's six miles out

2052
01:20:05,310 --> 01:20:03,600
into the ocean oh okay okay if you uh if

2053
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,320
you just go to our website

2054
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,040
jimmychurchradio.com and scroll down

2055
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:09,840
there's uh there's probably 10 15 20

2056
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,080
images that we have there

2057
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:14,560
um sonar images from google earth

2058
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:17,440
they're absolutely astounding

2059
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,040
and it doesn't make any sense now what

2060
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,880
we did do and i kind of mentioned this

2061
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:22,800
to james today

2062
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:26,000
but we have spent

2063
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,560
countless hours in google earth looking

2064
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:30,560
up and down every coast of every

2065
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:32,480
continent on earth

2066
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,120
looking for anything that looks similar

2067
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,120
to this and it we we can't find it we

2068
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,600
can't replicate it and it's a very

2069
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:42,000
singular anomaly and it's just sitting

2070
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,600
out there and the thing is

2071
01:20:48,630 --> 01:20:45,520
you've been researching ufos for a long

2072
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:48,640
time james is he's a he's an og

2073
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:51,840
ufologist he's he's an original gangster

2074
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,360
when it comes to this but

2075
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,840
uh we all know about the amount of

2076
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:57,760
sightings that have been going on off of

2077
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:59,760
the coast of malibu everybody that lives

2078
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,520
here in california like yourself you

2079
01:21:04,630 --> 01:21:03,040
you're raised here

2080
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:04,640
the the sightings that have been going

2081
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,880
on between catalina and marina del rey

2082
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,360
and malibu for decades

2083
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:11,199
and everybody's been talking about this

2084
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,520
underground base and

2085
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:15,120
and then we found this

2086
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,960
wow that's fascinating because it's it's

2087
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:19,040
such an amazing place malibu when you're

2088
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,120
out there you definitely feel

2089
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:23,280
a certain amount of spirituality or

2090
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:25,360
whatever you want to call it um

2091
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:28,239
so uh i'm in some ways not surprised but

2092
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,760
but i've really got to look into this

2093
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,760
it's really interesting yeah it is it is

2094
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:33,600
and uh so

2095
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,840
we'll talk about it off air uh after you

2096
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:37,360
take a look at those pictures it's

2097
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,560
absolutely

2098
01:21:42,630 --> 01:21:39,840
it's it's one of those things i told

2099
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:42,640
james today and i warned him i said man

2100
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,800
your life's about to change

2101
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:47,120
and i've warned him i what is it man

2102
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:49,760
when you see what you're about to see

2103
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:52,080
you're gonna trip and it was like that

2104
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:53,760
for me and for everybody else that sees

2105
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:55,600
him for the first time you know whether

2106
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,760
you want to call that natural or

2107
01:22:02,550 --> 01:21:59,760
man-made it doesn't matter the structure

2108
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:02,560
itself is unbelievably

2109
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:05,840
large and it is there this isn't on the

2110
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:08,239
moon this isn't on mars this isn't on

2111
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:11,440
jupiter is this is in malibu it's right

2112
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,239
there

2113
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,159
and uh yeah so

2114
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,400
we're uh continuing the investigation

2115
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:18,639
you know we're planning uh we're working

2116
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:20,080
so hard

2117
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,120
uh with a couple of other uh people to

2118
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:24,960
get uh this boat lined up and we're

2119
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:26,560
gonna get out there and get some rovs in

2120
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:29,280
the water it's horribly expensive to do

2121
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,679
uh but we're very close to finally uh

2122
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,520
getting this done so we can announce it

2123
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:35,280
it's not that deep either i mean you can

2124
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:37,120
actually go with the submariners

2125
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,880
yeah yeah explore that right yeah

2126
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:40,400
exactly well

2127
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:41,600
remember

2128
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:42,320
the

2129
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:56,960
so now we're getting you could get a

2130
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,760
submersible submarine

2131
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:01,920
you can you can it just gets expensive

2132
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:04,320
once you get past a certain level

2133
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:06,800
uh you know of of depth once you get

2134
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,880
past that you you're really getting to

2135
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,560
only a few things in the world that can

2136
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,320
get down to that down i have a couple

2137
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:14,320
when was it when was it first discovered

2138
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:16,080
how long is that about because i did a

2139
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:16,960
piece

2140
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:20,480
of on the bp oil spill and i met uh dr

2141
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:22,800
sylvia earl former head of noah right

2142
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,159
she does she has those uh submersibles

2143
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,560
that are totally affordable one and two

2144
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,880
man submersibles you go down i think

2145
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:32,239
five thousand

2146
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:33,840
three thousand feet or something i think

2147
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:36,560
yeah three thousand feet two man and we

2148
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,440
have uh so much uh help out there people

2149
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,600
helping us with uh different

2150
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,520
uh different ways and different ideas

2151
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:45,600
certainly the best way

2152
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,639
to do it at first would be with rovs you

2153
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:50,480
know unmanned just drop some cameras in

2154
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:51,520
the water

2155
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:54,080
and and get down there uh to answer your

2156
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:55,600
question tracy you said when was this

2157
01:24:02,149 --> 01:23:59,360
discovered we did it on may 12th

2158
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:02,159
of this year and uh that was the

2159
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,760
original uh

2160
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,760
uh press releases that we did and then

2161
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:07,840
we announced it on the show

2162
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,400
uh two days later and then about a week

2163
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:12,880
later i was at you parse with steve

2164
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:15,920
morillo you know steve james and uh oh

2165
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:17,679
yeah you know of course you do tracy my

2166
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:20,320
bad and and so we went out and announced

2167
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,679
it at upars and we we hit everybody with

2168
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:25,199
all of our information then after that

2169
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,679
abc news did their piece on it and and

2170
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:30,000
the huffington post did their piece and

2171
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:32,159
and then it just took off like wildfire

2172
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,360
from there now

2173
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:35,440
from the huffington post was that uh lee

2174
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,040
steal yeah lee

2175
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:39,360
did lee actually go down what did lee

2176
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:41,199
what was his his take on it i have a lot

2177
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:43,520
of respect for lee yeah i do too he's

2178
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:44,880
been a guest on the show a couple of

2179
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:48,960
times and and uh uh

2180
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:50,480
this is what we did

2181
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:54,159
i provided lee with uh the usgs

2182
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:57,120
scientist and he interviewed him

2183
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:58,400
david schwartz

2184
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:01,280
and uh and then also james anthony or

2185
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:04,080
john anthony west and i turned leon to

2186
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,520
both of those guys

2187
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,920
and but john anthony west was not the

2188
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:09,840
guy that did the sphinx

2189
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:12,719
yes yes film about 20 years ago yep yep

2190
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:13,920
with charlotte

2191
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,400
oh yeah that was a great film pocket

2192
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,880
full of emmys god that was a great yeah

2193
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,320
that was that i love that that was a

2194
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:22,800
game changer right there so

2195
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:26,880
so lee's thing uh that he did was to

2196
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,239
present you know my side my interview uh

2197
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:32,639
on how it was discovered and then

2198
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,960
a couple of uh you know skeptics on the

2199
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,120
outside which is the way that i wanted

2200
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,120
it presented i didn't want it

2201
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,440
you know one side or the other and we

2202
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:42,880
can tell you guys get a submarine and go

2203
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:44,639
down and check it out it's all you know

2204
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,760
i mean that's that's going to be the

2205
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,960
meat right there

2206
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:48,639
that's right that's right and and the

2207
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,679
thing is

2208
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:51,360
with all of your

2209
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,400
uh

2210
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,639
just like what you guys are doing with

2211
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:55,840
701

2212
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:58,480
where you have there's only so many

2213
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:01,040
solid cases with solid evidence out

2214
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:04,480
there you can witness all day long but

2215
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,120
to have you know it always comes down to

2216
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:09,120
the evidence what what where are we at

2217
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:11,440
without what can we present

2218
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:12,400
and

2219
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:15,679
not since you know roswell at roswell or

2220
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:17,520
area 51

2221
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:19,360
uh you guys are presenting some more

2222
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:23,120
modern cases zimbabwe was what 1994 am i

2223
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:26,080
right yeah 1994. uh we're we're now in

2224
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:30,000
2015 in 1996. yeah 1996. well now we're

2225
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,080
in 25th 2014 going into 2015

2226
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,960
and so it we haven't had we need

2227
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:38,480
something else

2228
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:40,719
to go and investigate and research and

2229
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:44,000
this this is sitting in tracy's backyard

2230
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:45,520
can i say something yeah

2231
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:47,199
it's really a place that i've spent a

2232
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:55,270
listening to the show that are outside

2233
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:56,639
of you know the la or southern

2234
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:58,960
california area i mean malibu is a

2235
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,960
pretty pretty magical place we'd love to

2236
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:02,639
hear from you so you can contact us on

2237
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:07,199
the contact page at 701 themovie.com

2238
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:09,280
um you were both talking over each other

2239
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,320
i i've just turned i've just i've just

2240
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,080
you guys i've cranked you up i don't

2241
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,960
know how much oh okay tracy perfectly oh

2242
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:18,719
hold on tracy speak

2243
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,239
uh here we go i'm here oh my god okay

2244
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,159
all right wow

2245
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:27,120
now i can hear it

2246
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:30,159
thank you okay we're good um

2247
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:31,120
uh

2248
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:32,719
the

2249
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:36,080
uh

2250
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:39,280
stuff for this community for the last

2251
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:43,040
you know 10 or 15 years it it's it i i

2252
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,360
have felt it i know you guys have too

2253
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,840
where it's it's tending the public

2254
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:49,280
awareness

2255
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,440
and and attention

2256
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,199
is starting to wear off a little bit

2257
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,440
when it comes to ufology and part of it

2258
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:57,280
is we're in a mass media

2259
01:28:01,990 --> 01:27:59,840
uh 20-minute news cycle it's not even 24

2260
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:02,000
hours anymore it's just like bam bam bam

2261
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:04,880
bam and attention spans

2262
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,040
when we look check this out this is one

2263
01:28:10,830 --> 01:28:09,679
fascinating thing for me it's this

2264
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:10,840
we had

2265
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,880
mh370 go down uh six months ago

2266
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:16,400
disappeared

2267
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:17,840
gone

2268
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,040
uh

2269
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:21,440
a couple of hundred 228 people passed

2270
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:22,880
away

2271
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,560
we don't talk about that today mh117

2272
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,480
you know what i mean just a few weeks

2273
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:30,400
ago shot down

2274
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:32,960
tragic tragically but we've moved on

2275
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:37,440
news cycles are just bam bam bam bam

2276
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,120
20 years ago

2277
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:41,440
uh we would still be talking about those

2278
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,360
events because the new cycle was much

2279
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:45,840
slower look at amelia earhart we talked

2280
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,560
about that for 25 30 years constantly

2281
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:50,400
investigating all the time it never went

2282
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,280
away

2283
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:54,080
but the the attention span today because

2284
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,560
of the way it hits the public

2285
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,800
it's got to be fantastical and it's got

2286
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,639
to be immediate and then the next day

2287
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,320
they move on to something else do you

2288
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:04,560
feel the same way yes i i think there

2289
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,040
are a couple of things at work here um

2290
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,880
first of all i think the media has

2291
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,600
really done a really poor job

2292
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,840
of reporting on ufos over the years i

2293
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:15,199
mean i think they've really missed the

2294
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:16,080
boat

2295
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:18,159
on it uh they've bought into the idea

2296
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:19,920
that it's very silly

2297
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,159
and they they just you know you can't

2298
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,400
really see something on the news show

2299
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:26,639
about a ufo sighting without the

2300
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:28,480
obligatory comment about little green

2301
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,960
men you know somebody has to say it and

2302
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:32,719
then somebody has to chuckle about it

2303
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:36,000
and etc etc so i think in general it's

2304
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:38,719
not it has not been covered well but on

2305
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,560
top of that there's another theory that

2306
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:42,159
i personally have

2307
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:45,040
i personally think we have not seen

2308
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:48,480
nearly as many videos as we should be

2309
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:50,400
seeing okay

2310
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:51,760
in other words if you look back at the

2311
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:53,360
way the phenomenon has been over the

2312
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:55,520
year and over the years and the fact

2313
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:57,760
that so many people now carry video

2314
01:30:02,629 --> 01:30:00,400
cameras with them everywhere they go

2315
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:02,639
there should be more videos and a lot of

2316
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:05,280
pro ufo people get angry with me and say

2317
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:07,199
oh there are videos all the time but you

2318
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:09,199
know i don't think that's really true i

2319
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:11,199
think we're not seeing the number of

2320
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:13,280
videos that we should be seeing the

2321
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:15,040
question is why

2322
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:16,800
and in my opinion

2323
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:19,520
the subject itself is self concealing

2324
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:22,800
okay what we learn about ufo incidents

2325
01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:24,719
we learn in spite

2326
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:27,040
of the forces that are behind the

2327
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:28,080
incidents

2328
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:30,320
they are it seems to me there's a pretty

2329
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:33,199
clear pattern that whatever they do

2330
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:35,679
they really don't want to be landing on

2331
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:37,760
the white house lawn they don't want to

2332
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:39,520
be you know on the larry king show they

2333
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:40,960
don't want to be

2334
01:30:47,110 --> 01:30:44,080
coming forth in a very public way so i

2335
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:47,120
think there is a stealth-like quality to

2336
01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:49,360
ufo events today

2337
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:52,400
whatever the intelligence is behind ufo

2338
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:55,199
events whatever non-earthly intelligence

2339
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:56,239
it is

2340
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:59,040
i think it's aware that people now have

2341
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,080
video

2342
01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:02,639
recorders with them all the time so i

2343
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:04,639
think they've actually taken steps to

2344
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:06,320
conceal themselves

2345
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:08,000
uh and i really believe that's about the

2346
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:09,840
only thing that makes sense have you

2347
01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:12,239
guys seen the nick menza video out of

2348
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:14,800
studio city happened uh

2349
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:17,840
two weeks ago on uh super moon james

2350
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:19,120
have you seen this

2351
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:21,520
no let me let me uh i'm gonna take a

2352
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:24,560
note of that nick menza nick manza nick

2353
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:28,080
menza uh we're gonna do uh if uh you

2354
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:30,800
know what tracy you're in town um i

2355
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:34,000
don't know if uh if james is but anyway

2356
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:35,520
we're going to do a presentation next

2357
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:37,440
week we're going to do a live broadcast

2358
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:39,760
from you parsons studio city what

2359
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:41,360
happened was this nick manz is the

2360
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:51,189
yes yes yes now i've heard that's pretty

2361
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:55,360
impressive that is an insane video now

2362
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:57,360
let me let me tell you about this tracy

2363
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:00,880
he uh he's a very talented ver he's a

2364
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:03,360
he's a big time drummer as far as

2365
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:05,440
you know he's he's a world-class guy his

2366
01:32:09,669 --> 01:32:08,560
dad was don men's uh uh uh jazz

2367
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:09,679
saxophone

2368
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:12,800
saxophonist well anyway james is a legit

2369
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:13,679
guy

2370
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:15,760
and so he goes out

2371
01:32:21,830 --> 01:32:19,199
on his front lawn to videotape the super

2372
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:21,840
moon two weeks ago that that you know

2373
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:23,840
the super moon right and while he's

2374
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:25,600
shooting the video

2375
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:28,080
up behind the you have a table

2376
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:30,000
yeah yeah yeah yeah you know what i did

2377
01:32:34,790 --> 01:32:32,159
see that very impressive that is an

2378
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:34,800
insane very impressive yes yes i forgot

2379
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:36,320
to tell you about that tracy actually i

2380
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:38,719
just saw that and i can put you in touch

2381
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,320
with him and if you want to come out and

2382
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:42,480
meet him uh next tuesday

2383
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:44,560
uh in studio city with us

2384
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:45,360
that's something that we should

2385
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:46,639
definitely look into

2386
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:48,080
do you think you're gonna be

2387
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:49,199
at duke

2388
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:52,480
uh no studio city um two parts i know

2389
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:57,430
you know what nobody knows what you're

2390
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:59,120
talking about but i do and there's

2391
01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:01,440
nothing like dupars you're right exactly

2392
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:04,480
no you parse is steve morillo's uh

2393
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:07,600
paranormal uh uh organization okay i'm

2394
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:09,120
sorry i haven't heard you yeah yeah when

2395
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:12,000
he left uh mufon he started you pars so

2396
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:15,440
he does uh uh uh once a month he does uh

2397
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:17,040
his presentations out there so we're

2398
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:17,760
gonna

2399
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,159
have nick come out uh we had nick on the

2400
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:22,560
show a couple of weeks ago and yeah i

2401
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:24,000
would like to come to that that sounds

2402
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:25,280
great yeah come on out and we're going

2403
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:26,639
to do quite we're going to watch the

2404
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:28,560
video a few times it's going to be live

2405
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:29,760
on the air if you want to jump on the

2406
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,600
microphone and and come hang out with

2407
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:33,199
this we're going to broadcast from there

2408
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:34,639
live but

2409
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:36,560
if these things are really flying around

2410
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:38,719
as much as as those of us who believe

2411
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:40,560
that they are are

2412
01:33:45,110 --> 01:33:42,320
don't you think we should be capturing

2413
01:33:46,709 --> 01:33:45,120
it more often on video i mean this may

2414
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,719
be a great video the one you're talking

2415
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:48,000
about and i'm looking forward to seeing

2416
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,880
it but

2417
01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:50,960
there haven't been a whole lot of those

2418
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:53,280
no there haven't and i i bring that up

2419
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:55,679
every night on on the show here tracy

2420
01:34:03,110 --> 01:33:59,679
and it's just we are in an era of all of

2421
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:03,120
us you your family your friends james

2422
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:05,040
your family your friends every listener

2423
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:07,280
on this program right now their family

2424
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:09,520
and friends has a house full of video

2425
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,080
cameras a house full

2426
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:14,639
every kid has got a cell phone your

2427
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:17,120
grandmother has got a video recorder

2428
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:18,719
with her so

2429
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,080
everybody uh is walking around with the

2430
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:24,480
capability of shooting video these days

2431
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:27,120
and so with all of that

2432
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:28,880
where's the increase

2433
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:31,120
we should be seeing more and we are not

2434
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:33,199
in fact we're seeing less yeah it's a

2435
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:35,040
very interesting question isn't it and

2436
01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:36,960
and i think it's not an accident i think

2437
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:38,560
that again that the

2438
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,960
the intelligence behind the phenomena is

2439
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,880
a well aware that we have a lot more

2440
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:44,320
video cameras

2441
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:46,400
and i just think for whatever reason and

2442
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:48,080
it can be you can speculate about it

2443
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:50,480
from here until doomsday basically but

2444
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:52,400
why is it that whatever they're doing

2445
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:53,199
here

2446
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:56,320
needs to remain so clandestine

2447
01:35:02,229 --> 01:34:58,560
and that's to me the pattern that's been

2448
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:02,239
around for 70 years i mean when we do

2449
01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:03,760
capture something

2450
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:06,639
when we do uh come across a great in

2451
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:09,280
abduction case or anything like that

2452
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:11,760
it's not because they want us to

2453
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:14,480
it's we sort of find out about it in

2454
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:16,320
spite of their efforts that's what i

2455
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:17,520
firmly believe

2456
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,600
why do you think that is that's well

2457
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:21,760
because i think whatever their agenda is

2458
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:22,880
here

2459
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:24,719
they have made the decision it's better

2460
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,080
for them

2461
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:28,560
to not be that well known to not be

2462
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:31,360
accepted by the general public

2463
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:33,199
to certainly not be accepted by

2464
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:35,679
scientific circles or whatever

2465
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:38,480
it's it's in their interest to be doing

2466
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:39,920
what they're doing

2467
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:42,880
you know in lonely places at lonely

2468
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:45,360
times of the day and really not

2469
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,600
intentionally to be seen

2470
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:49,760
um you know certainly if you if you buy

2471
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:52,239
into the abduction stories

2472
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:54,000
one of the things about abductions is

2473
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:57,360
that the the witness is their their

2474
01:36:01,750 --> 01:35:59,840
memory is erased through some sort of

2475
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:01,760
post-hypnotic suggestion

2476
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:04,000
and they're not really meant to come out

2477
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,760
and tell the world about what's happened

2478
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:08,080
to them that happens in spite of their

2479
01:36:11,110 --> 01:36:09,280
efforts

2480
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:11,120
so i think the same thing is true about

2481
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:14,320
the video i mean it's just uh

2482
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:16,000
those of us that believe this is a real

2483
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,920
phenomena have to be honest and admit

2484
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:19,760
that there have not been

2485
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:21,920
the numbers of videos that we should be

2486
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:23,040
seeing

2487
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,560
and again like i said i don't think

2488
01:36:28,229 --> 01:36:26,239
that's an accident what do you think

2489
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:28,239
about uh i'll throw this out to both of

2490
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:29,920
you what do you think about steven

2491
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:37,830
uh i can honestly tell you that i 100

2492
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,400
disbelieve in it i i just don't think

2493
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,719
it's for real i happened

2494
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,360
to get to know him in colorado a long

2495
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:47,360
time ago and i saw some things that were

2496
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:49,280
very disturbing to me

2497
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:51,520
about the his presentation

2498
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:55,040
and uh i don't believe it works that way

2499
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:56,000
hmm

2500
01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:57,920
james

2501
01:37:02,790 --> 01:36:59,840
i have to take the fifth on this one

2502
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,800
yeah i do too

2503
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:04,239
i do too

2504
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:07,119
i i take the fifth um

2505
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,920
but

2506
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:09,920
this is a thing uh

2507
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,239
i've had a couple of close friends uh

2508
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:14,480
talk to me about uh

2509
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:16,960
uh their experiences with that type of

2510
01:37:22,070 --> 01:37:18,840
contacting and

2511
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,080
they they were astounded and they they

2512
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:24,560
were left speechless and they don't know

2513
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:26,719
if it was coincidence

2514
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:29,840
or or what but definitely things

2515
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:31,840
happened with them i haven't done it

2516
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:33,280
i've been invited

2517
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:35,040
i haven't done it so

2518
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:38,400
you know but it seems like it's uh i i

2519
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,320
want to say this right again i want to

2520
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,320
kind of plead the fifth but it seems a

2521
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:43,920
little too easy

2522
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:45,920
but you know i have to go back to i have

2523
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:48,480
to go back to you know uh extraordinary

2524
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:50,560
claims require extraordinary evidence i

2525
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:52,239
hate i hate to say that

2526
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:53,679
uh but

2527
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:55,520
or repeat that or quote that from carl

2528
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:57,119
sagan but it's true you know if you're

2529
01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:57,920
gonna

2530
01:38:00,830 --> 01:38:00,159
claim that you're in you know contact

2531
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:00,840
with

2532
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:04,320
in

2533
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:06,239
uh you better have some pretty damn good

2534
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:07,760
evidence to back those statements up

2535
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:09,679
otherwise you're going to sound like a

2536
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:12,000
like a screwball i mean it's you know

2537
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:13,520
it's so

2538
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:16,480
we're already ridiculed enough

2539
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,840
you know if you're going to make claims

2540
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:19,760
of that magnitude you better have some

2541
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:21,119
very good evidence to back it up

2542
01:38:24,149 --> 01:38:22,880
otherwise it's really opening yourself

2543
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:24,159
up to

2544
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:25,920
ridicule i'm going to throw this back to

2545
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,239
tracy then tracy when you were with him

2546
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:30,400
and you were watching did you did

2547
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:32,320
anything happen in the sky

2548
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:34,800
well it was in preston colorado but

2549
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:37,199
there was a informal gathering of people

2550
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:39,040
that all came from all over

2551
01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:40,719
the country to meet there and that's

2552
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:42,639
where i met steven greer

2553
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:45,679
and stephen grier claimed that the

2554
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:47,040
saucers

2555
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:49,840
had been following his car all the way

2556
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:52,639
across colorado and that they had been

2557
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:56,080
going into the sea city logo in the side

2558
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:57,520
in the sky

2559
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:01,199
as a tribute to him on the ground

2560
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:03,280
and as soon as i heard that that was it

2561
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:05,920
for me i mean i just i can tell you flat

2562
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:08,080
out i don't believe

2563
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:11,280
aliens are coming here from some great

2564
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:14,480
distance to do promotion for stephen

2565
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:15,920
greer in the sky

2566
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:18,560
i mean it just i'm sorry maybe this

2567
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:20,560
maybe a lot of your audience disagrees

2568
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:21,600
with me but

2569
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:23,840
i just don't buy that and that was the

2570
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,600
that was the starting point for me when

2571
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:27,360
i first met greer

2572
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:29,520
and it got worse from there i mean i

2573
01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:31,840
literally you know he was he was out

2574
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:33,679
trying to hustle people into giving him

2575
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,119
thousands of dollars or hundreds of

2576
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:37,440
dollars to go out and see ufos in the

2577
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,320
sky

2578
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:40,480
and i spoke to somebody who went with

2579
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,000
him and claimed that there was an

2580
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:44,400
airplane flying overhead and he got all

2581
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:45,920
excited and started telling everyone it

2582
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:47,520
was ufo

2583
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,600
uh that's really been my only experience

2584
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:51,520
with him i can't really say that i you

2585
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:53,119
know i've ever

2586
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:55,040
paid much attention to what he's had to

2587
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:56,400
say since then

2588
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:58,480
because that was such a turn off to me

2589
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:00,880
send all email to tracy tormey at

2590
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:02,960
aol.com

2591
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:05,040
yeah so i mean you know and i'll tell

2592
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:06,880
you something else jimmy that this movie

2593
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:09,520
701 is not going to make everybody happy

2594
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,199
in the ufo community

2595
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,960
there are going to be positions that we

2596
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:15,520
take on the phenomena

2597
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,480
that are not in line with what a lot of

2598
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:20,159
other people believe

2599
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,239
um for instance you know this will

2600
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:24,480
probably make me very unpopular but

2601
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:29,040
i believe 95 of ufo cases can be readily

2602
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:30,320
explained

2603
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:32,000
uh and i think you really have to

2604
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,560
separate the wheat from the chaff and

2605
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,960
you look for that five percent

2606
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,880
like the zamora case

2607
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:41,040
the five percent that cannot be

2608
01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:42,080
explained

2609
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:45,199
that's where 701 itself the title comes

2610
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:46,080
from

2611
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:48,400
um and i think that we're going to make

2612
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:50,639
the case that the great majority of

2613
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,560
stuff that you've been put out on the

2614
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:54,880
subject is disinformation and

2615
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,000
misinformation and if you really really

2616
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:59,840
are interested in getting to the truth

2617
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,880
about it

2618
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:03,360
and getting as close to the phenomena as

2619
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,560
you can

2620
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:06,239
then you have to be

2621
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,400
this elbow this may sound boring you

2622
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:09,840
have to separate the wheat from the

2623
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:12,239
chaff and you have to readily admit that

2624
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:15,040
95 of the cases are nonsense

2625
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:17,520
it's that five percent that are just so

2626
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:19,679
intriguing and so interesting and so

2627
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:20,880
strange

2628
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:23,760
but to finish up i think that the five

2629
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,239
percent are again what i was saying

2630
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:28,800
earlier these are the cases that we find

2631
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:31,199
out in spite of the efforts that are

2632
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:33,199
made to conceal them

2633
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:34,480
not because

2634
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:37,040
they're here to land on earth and go

2635
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,719
find the stephen griers of the world and

2636
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:40,239
say hey we're going to appear in the sky

2637
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:41,360
tonight

2638
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:43,119
charge people a few hundred bucks and

2639
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,119
head on out and come take a look

2640
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,600
i just don't believe that's how it works

2641
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:49,840
can we change gears for a second

2642
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:52,400
sure i want to talk 701 and i want to

2643
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:55,119
talk about the zimbabwe case

2644
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:56,000
and

2645
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:00,480
everybody know i'm counting now there's

2646
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:03,679
five calls backed up uh if we have the

2647
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,840
chance we will take some calls a little

2648
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:07,440
bit later but uh

2649
01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:09,280
uh and i'll announce when the phone

2650
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:11,679
lines are open so uh yeah everybody

2651
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:14,000
wants to chat with you and i've got

2652
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:16,000
email is just coming in coming in coming

2653
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:18,239
in i want to talk about the zimbabwe

2654
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:19,600
case now there's

2655
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:22,159
uh first off kudos i don't know how you

2656
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,159
pulled it off to

2657
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:26,960
uh jump uh

2658
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:28,400
let me ask you this

2659
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:30,560
uh and everybody should go over right

2660
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:32,800
now go over to 701 the movie.com go to

2661
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:33,760
cases

2662
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,560
click on zimbabwe watch the trailer that

2663
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:38,159
they have there

2664
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:38,960
and

2665
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:42,400
the thing is about the case for me

2666
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:45,360
is you were able to chase down

2667
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:47,280
were those the same children that were

2668
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:48,480
interviewed

2669
01:42:53,430 --> 01:42:51,280
by the news that you then

2670
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:53,440
interviewed so absolutely there's a

2671
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:55,440
story behind that but yeah absolutely

2672
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:58,080
okay because that blew my mind and to

2673
01:43:04,149 --> 01:43:01,280
watch their faces as adults and the

2674
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:04,159
conviction their lives changed you can

2675
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:05,199
tell

2676
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:07,920
their lives completely changed

2677
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:09,600
profoundly

2678
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:10,480
okay

2679
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:13,199
let's let's start i don't for for most

2680
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:14,880
out there they probably have never heard

2681
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:17,360
of this case and again congratulations

2682
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:19,199
for getting it done and doing it and

2683
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:21,280
presenting it like you have

2684
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:23,520
what happened just take us back to the

2685
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:27,280
schoolyard in uh in 1994. oh and by the

2686
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:29,119
way i will uh just let me say this to

2687
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:30,080
everybody

2688
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:33,600
uh the if you go over to twitter

2689
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:36,560
uh at j church radio hashtag dm radio

2690
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:38,480
net we just posted

2691
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:40,400
the uh nick menza video if you want to

2692
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:42,719
go and and see what we're talking about

2693
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:45,440
and one of our producers just posted the

2694
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:48,800
701 stuff too in twitter too so okay

2695
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,000
take us back to 1994 into the schoolyard

2696
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:56,709
well um i'm going to talk over this

2697
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:58,719
beeping in my ear once again

2698
01:44:18,149 --> 01:43:59,520
i

2699
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,159
you know

2700
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:20,320
doing any ufo related documentaries that

2701
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:21,760
sort of thing just trying to get in

2702
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:22,880
touch with him

2703
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:24,960
and the only response i got from janet

2704
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:26,320
was that

2705
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:28,000
she said that stephen

2706
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:28,960
felt

2707
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:30,719
there was a case in africa that it just

2708
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:31,760
happened

2709
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:33,520
that it was the best modern day close

2710
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,760
encounter of the third kind period

2711
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:37,679
anywhere anywhere on earth so that was

2712
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:39,280
the first time i'd heard of it

2713
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:40,239
um

2714
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:43,440
and then uh you know dr john mack

2715
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:45,760
harvard university grabbed a camera crew

2716
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,480
right after it happened in 1994

2717
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:50,480
and he went to row zimbabwe and he

2718
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:52,800
documented within a week or two all

2719
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:55,199
these children there were just under 200

2720
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:57,119
school children ranging in the age of

2721
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:59,280
eight to 12.

2722
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:01,280
and

2723
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:06,960
of incredible interviews at drawing

2724
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:09,600
and um illustrations of what these

2725
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:11,679
children had seen and i think he said at

2726
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:13,840
the time that he would rip his harvard

2727
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:16,159
diploma in half if these children were

2728
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:18,719
lying he was very very nobody tells the

2729
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:19,920
truth

2730
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:22,880
like a child yeah and the innocence

2731
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:24,800
during these interviews and i'm telling

2732
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:27,040
everybody go over right now to 701

2733
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:28,639
themovie.com

2734
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:31,040
and absorb because then you'll pick up

2735
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,800
what we're putting down right now can

2736
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:34,719
i'm sorry james go ahead oh no no no

2737
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,360
problem and and so you know uh dr dr

2738
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:39,360
john mack went over there and

2739
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,520
he met with the school principals and

2740
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:43,199
the teachers and all the students and he

2741
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:45,600
spent a long time doing on-camera

2742
01:45:48,390 --> 01:45:46,800
interviews all these students very

2743
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:48,400
professionally done

2744
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:49,199
and

2745
01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:52,960
wasn't sure what the long-term plans

2746
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:54,960
were with it but then as you all know

2747
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:55,760
that

2748
01:46:01,750 --> 01:46:00,719
it was a truck in london looked the

2749
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:01,760
wrong way i don't think there was any

2750
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:05,040
conspiracy there and but but died and uh

2751
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:06,719
so i think a lot of that material just

2752
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:08,800
kind of was collecting dust and i found

2753
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:09,600
out

2754
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:12,639
in 2007 at the national press club event

2755
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:14,159
david levcane

2756
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:15,679
uh that

2757
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:19,199
one of the patients of

2758
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:20,639
um

2759
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:22,239
sorry i was trying to think of

2760
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:23,920
his name in a second but in any case

2761
01:46:26,470 --> 01:46:25,199
leslie had introduced me to this guy

2762
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:26,480
randall nickerson

2763
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:28,239
who apparently was

2764
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:30,560
had some experiences and he had a

2765
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:32,159
relationship with bud hopkins and he'd

2766
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:33,600
done some regressions and that sort of

2767
01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:36,480
thing and somehow randall ended up with

2768
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:38,320
a lot of this material from the dr john

2769
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:40,320
mack institute and i said to him at the

2770
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:42,639
time in 2007 boy i'd really like to get

2771
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:44,320
my hands on some of this archived

2772
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:45,840
material and he's like well you know i'm

2773
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:47,600
going to do this documentary so every

2774
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:50,159
year i pestered him every year and

2775
01:46:58,709 --> 01:46:54,639
finally in 2013 late 2013 december

2776
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:58,719
he um he agreed to let us 701 license

2777
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:00,639
the materials so we got all the material

2778
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:01,920
we could license

2779
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:02,719
uh

2780
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:04,639
10 minutes roughly 10 minutes of the

2781
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,360
archive material we have it all and then

2782
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:09,920
the cavity on top of that

2783
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:11,520
was the fact that he put us in touch

2784
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:13,679
with these witnesses today

2785
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:14,400
so

2786
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:16,080
i remember

2787
01:47:20,229 --> 01:47:18,000
at the time telling tracy how excited i

2788
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:20,239
was about this my co-producers hadn't

2789
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:21,600
really been following the story like i

2790
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:23,119
had been following it right but i was

2791
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:25,119
really really excited to get my hands on

2792
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:27,199
this archive material which we did and

2793
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:29,199
then we had to convince these witnesses

2794
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:31,600
for the first time ever to come together

2795
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:34,080
20 years later and talk about this stuff

2796
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,760
and what we found was that

2797
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:37,360
you know they had there was a for

2798
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:40,000
instance a school teacher emma she had

2799
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:41,360
been married five years with two

2800
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:42,880
children hadn't told her husband of the

2801
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,920
experience

2802
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:45,840
um just because she was she didn't want

2803
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:47,679
to have to defend herself she she said

2804
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:50,800
the experience was so incredible that

2805
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:53,040
um you know she didn't want to the only

2806
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:54,239
thing that was unpleasant about the

2807
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:56,000
whole thing was how the the adults after

2808
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:58,239
the fact sort of extracted the stuff out

2809
01:48:01,910 --> 01:48:00,000
of them they described it as like having

2810
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:01,920
an encounter in the in the wilderness

2811
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:05,199
when you come across a very rare wild

2812
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:07,280
animal and there's this moment this sort

2813
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:08,880
of standoff moment where you're sort of

2814
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:12,320
observing with curiosity each other and

2815
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:14,159
and

2816
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:20,320
that's what it was like

2817
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:21,840
the whole experience for them wasn't

2818
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:23,040
like a

2819
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:24,880
you know a quick

2820
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:26,560
ambiguous close encounter this thing

2821
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:29,440
went on for 15 or 20 minutes and these

2822
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:33,280
children got within arm's reach of these

2823
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:34,480
uh beings

2824
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:36,880
and uh it affected them profoundly and

2825
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:38,880
there was telepathic communication we

2826
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:41,119
got so many details on this and

2827
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,480
randall nickerson has actually done a

2828
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:44,159
lot of work on this and we managed to

2829
01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:45,920
get all the archive material and then of

2830
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:47,360
course getting the getting the students

2831
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:49,440
to talk about it today is just the case

2832
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:51,760
is absolutely the best case close

2833
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,119
encounter of the third kind i think in

2834
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,040
recorded history dr

2835
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:57,360
sorry steven spielberg is dead right to

2836
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:59,600
say that this is one of the best cases

2837
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:01,040
in modern history and very few people

2838
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:04,320
know about it well to hear each one of

2839
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:07,920
the children uh independently talk about

2840
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:10,560
uh describe the craft first off they

2841
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:12,239
were all spot on

2842
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:15,199
it was a silver disc that came across

2843
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:18,320
the sky landed how it landed in the

2844
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:20,800
schoolyard right just just on an

2845
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:22,400
adjacent field not you could they could

2846
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:24,000
have hit it with a rock that's how close

2847
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:27,920
right right and then a being gets out of

2848
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:31,360
the craft that was this was the crazy

2849
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:32,960
description

2850
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:34,960
coming from kids

2851
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,800
that that really freaked me out that he

2852
01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:39,040
was dressed in black

2853
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,280
not not a silver space

2854
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:43,040
nothing like from television or anything

2855
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:46,239
like that and that he had long hair

2856
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:49,679
and and these big eyes and each one of

2857
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:52,320
these children and the drawings too just

2858
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:54,480
are just making your hair stand up but

2859
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:57,280
to hear their description of them uh of

2860
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:58,719
this being

2861
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:00,639
and the one girl says

2862
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:02,880
uh when he says well how close were you

2863
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:06,159
two i was one meter away

2864
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:08,080
she i mean they were just right up on

2865
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:09,119
this guy

2866
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:12,480
and they had a stare down didn't they

2867
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:14,000
absolutely there was telepathic

2868
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:15,679
communication with the eyes he said the

2869
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:18,560
eyes were mesmerizing and and keep in

2870
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:20,080
mind you know what we're showing the

2871
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:21,600
public is one

2872
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,520
sixtieth of what we have

2873
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,760
it's just a little tease and there's

2874
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:27,119
some additional

2875
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:30,080
trace tracie and i are on the verge of

2876
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:32,320
uh getting some additional researchers

2877
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:34,400
that trade work with the bat

2878
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:35,760
to really go and dig up some more

2879
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:37,040
information we have an interview with a

2880
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:39,040
guy i think his name is tim leach he was

2881
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:40,800
the former bbc correspondent it was down

2882
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:42,800
in ruiz zimbabwe at the time and he

2883
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:44,239
unfortunately no longer with us but i

2884
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:45,119
was

2885
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:46,560
watching an extensive interview that

2886
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:47,840
randall nickerson had done with him

2887
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:49,040
recently

2888
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:51,119
obviously before he died and he talked

2889
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:54,000
about there's 20 seconds of video of

2890
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:55,760
this ufo there's a letter that was sent

2891
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:57,280
to him by one of the residents that's

2892
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:58,639
another thing i really want to follow up

2893
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:59,440
on

2894
01:51:04,830 --> 01:51:01,360
and also there was a lot of curiosity

2895
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:04,840
with the us embassy at the time

2896
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:07,199
um dealing with the bbc and there were

2897
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:08,960
there were reports that the airport had

2898
01:51:13,270 --> 01:51:10,960
picked this thing up on radar the ufo at

2899
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:13,280
hovered and had blocked incoming flights

2900
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:15,119
into the airport so this whole thing

2901
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:17,840
went on in the area for several days

2902
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:20,000
culminating with the encounter in ruiz

2903
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:22,960
zimbabwe at the ariel schoolyard

2904
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:25,119
at 10 30 in the morning so it's it's a

2905
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:27,440
phenomenal case there's a lot of a lot

2906
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:30,000
more to it than what we put in there and

2907
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,360
there's a lot more research we're going

2908
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,960
to do and and

2909
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:34,560
and according to this interview with his

2910
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:36,239
bbc correspondent he thought the whole

2911
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:38,239
thing was outrageous when he first heard

2912
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,400
that the time would go report on the

2913
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:43,280
thing and uh and of course once he once

2914
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:45,040
he dug his teeth into it a little bit he

2915
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,239
realized wow

2916
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,560
this this really happened and uh he had

2917
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:50,400
letters sent to him about like i said 20

2918
01:51:53,669 --> 01:51:52,159
seconds of video footage of this craft

2919
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:53,679
wouldn't that be great if we can find

2920
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:56,159
that who conducted the interviews with

2921
01:52:00,390 --> 01:51:58,880
uh the children as adults

2922
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,400
uh myself

2923
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:02,480
and one of our other producers

2924
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:03,760
uh tracy

2925
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,440
tracy you did too did you i was gonna

2926
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:08,000
ask tracy were either i really wasn't uh

2927
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:09,920
very familiar with this case at all i

2928
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:11,199
mean i have to give

2929
01:52:17,990 --> 01:52:14,639
total credit to james on uh zimbabwe and

2930
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:18,000
also on virginia brazil case

2931
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:19,760
those were definitely two things that he

2932
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:22,080
was interested in and on top of

2933
01:52:25,589 --> 01:52:23,920
that i really had very little

2934
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:25,599
familiarity with

2935
01:52:28,229 --> 01:52:26,480
so

2936
01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:28,239
i stayed a little bit in the background

2937
01:52:31,990 --> 01:52:29,920
on those because he's so much more

2938
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,000
knowledgeable than i am about them but

2939
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:34,800
but i agree it reminded me when the

2940
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:38,239
witnesses came back to us as adults and

2941
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:40,239
were interviewed by us it kind of

2942
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:42,239
reminded me of some of the work with

2943
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:44,320
abductees that i've done in the past

2944
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,400
because they seemed like really haunted

2945
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:48,159
people they seemed like people that had

2946
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:49,040
totally

2947
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:50,480
you know experienced something that

2948
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:52,159
separated them from the rest of us that

2949
01:52:55,189 --> 01:52:52,960
they

2950
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:55,199
you know had had struggles to even

2951
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:56,239
explain

2952
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:58,880
um and but it very real and i got the

2953
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:00,239
real sense that they were certainly

2954
01:53:04,470 --> 01:53:02,800
telling the truth yeah and and so as an

2955
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,480
outsider looking in the reason why i was

2956
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:06,400
asking who was doing the interviews i

2957
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:08,400
was hoping one of you guys was

2958
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:10,080
uh you know standing in the background

2959
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:12,080
watching this going on and not being the

2960
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,800
interviewee in that

2961
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:16,639
how did it hit you it just must have

2962
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:21,360
been a a mind-blowing experience to

2963
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:24,080
to see and hear

2964
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:26,800
this testimony 20 years

2965
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:28,880
wait a minute yeah are we 20 years later

2966
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:30,639
yeah 20 20 years

2967
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:32,960
and uh i mean how did it make you feel

2968
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:35,599
tracy just being the fly in the wall

2969
01:53:39,830 --> 01:53:37,280
you you said something earlier where you

2970
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:39,840
said when you saw this you wondered why

2971
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:41,119
it was not

2972
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:44,000
more known in ufo circles but what i

2973
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:46,000
really wonder is why is it not known

2974
01:53:51,910 --> 01:53:49,360
more in public circles in other words

2975
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:51,920
when an event like this happens

2976
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,880
why

2977
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:55,440
does it not make bigger news

2978
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:58,320
it just kind of drifts into obscurity

2979
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:00,400
and again i think that has to do with

2980
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,960
the way that the journalistic world has

2981
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:04,960
really failed to cover the subject they

2982
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:07,280
just missed the boat consistently do you

2983
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,840
think you also because it was zimbabwe

2984
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:11,840
and not telling

2985
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:13,840
sure i'm sure you know the remoteness of

2986
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:15,280
where it happened and

2987
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:17,440
has something to do with that of course

2988
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:19,199
but just the fact that even the local

2989
01:54:24,149 --> 01:54:21,520
media in africa

2990
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:24,159
just really didn't get a grasp on this

2991
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:26,800
when it first happened i i think that's

2992
01:54:31,189 --> 01:54:29,360
really unfortunate and that's again one

2993
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:31,199
of the reasons why the subject in

2994
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:33,280
general is so misunderstood

2995
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:36,639
it just isn't accurately reported um

2996
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:40,080
the the mike wallaces of the world

2997
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,040
never really got interested in ufos and

2998
01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:45,360
went in with 60 minutes and did some

2999
01:54:50,310 --> 01:54:48,159
expose on some great ufo case like

3000
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,320
rental from forest or something wrong

3001
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:52,480
right why did that not happen and that

3002
01:54:56,470 --> 01:54:54,960
we do sort of get into in 701 as well

3003
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:56,480
i'll tell you something that would you

3004
01:55:02,470 --> 01:54:59,119
know just makes your stomach turn

3005
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,480
what if john mack didn't go out there

3006
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,040
what yeah you know what if i mean just

3007
01:55:09,830 --> 01:55:07,760
what if that didn't happen

3008
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:09,840
then there is no zimbabwe you know what

3009
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:11,679
i mean if absolutely

3010
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,639
you're absolutely right it kind of

3011
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:14,400
freaks you out for a second doesn't it

3012
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,199
oh yeah i remember when i was when i was

3013
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:19,760
turning the rest of the production onto

3014
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:21,440
this case

3015
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:25,440
and one of our uh funders at the time

3016
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:27,679
was a complete neophyte in the whole

3017
01:55:32,070 --> 01:55:30,000
field of ufology he was very fascinated

3018
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:32,080
by it but he knew nothing of the rue

3019
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:34,000
zimbabwe case and when i was telling him

3020
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:35,119
it was almost like he had this

3021
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:36,719
incredulous look on his face like oh

3022
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:37,840
come on

3023
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:40,000
several discs landed on an adjacent

3024
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:42,880
field at a school in russia byway fleas

3025
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:44,880
you know just just complete disbelief

3026
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:46,159
and i kept saying no i'm telling you

3027
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:48,719
this is a good case really you know and

3028
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:51,520
that having to extract you know

3029
01:55:55,830 --> 01:55:53,679
a lot of money to make this whole thing

3030
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:55,840
happen licensing the material flying in

3031
01:56:02,070 --> 01:55:58,000
the witness today i mean we're talking

3032
01:56:03,669 --> 01:56:02,080
you know a lot a lot of money no way but

3033
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:03,679
at the end of the day everyone was

3034
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:05,360
incredibly thrilled that we pulled it

3035
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:08,000
off so well what about westall i mean

3036
01:56:12,310 --> 01:56:10,880
the the similarities between the two

3037
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:12,320
events

3038
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:15,679
are pretty close uh west all australia

3039
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:17,040
you know in melbourne

3040
01:56:20,629 --> 01:56:17,840
uh

3041
01:56:23,109 --> 01:56:20,639
almost the exact same situation the same

3042
01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:23,119
amount of witnesses elementary school

3043
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:24,239
disc

3044
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,599
uh multiple witnesses news involved

3045
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:29,520
were you guys able to cover that or not

3046
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:31,679
enough time in the film

3047
01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:33,360
well we have a guy named bill chocker

3048
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:35,280
who's like a real expert on australian

3049
01:56:39,589 --> 01:56:37,599
cases who is one of the

3050
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:39,599
people that because of scheduling

3051
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:41,360
problems we were not able to get him on

3052
01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:42,639
camera yet

3053
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:44,800
but i believe we are gonna follow up

3054
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:46,320
he's one of our follow-up interviews

3055
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:48,159
that we're gonna put him on camera and

3056
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:50,080
he actually did reference that the same

3057
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:52,719
case that you're mentioning right um but

3058
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:54,239
we haven't had a real chance to look

3059
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:56,320
into it but we will once we we interview

3060
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:57,920
bill chalker we'll get to the bottom of

3061
01:57:01,270 --> 01:56:58,719
that

3062
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:01,280
i i watched uh there's a really good

3063
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:03,119
westall documentary there's not many

3064
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:05,280
there's only like two on youtube but

3065
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:07,280
there's one that's really really really

3066
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:11,440
good same thing uh the similarities the

3067
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:13,440
parallels here are kind of frightening

3068
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:15,360
and they're talking to

3069
01:57:20,470 --> 01:57:17,920
uh you know the the original witnesses

3070
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:20,480
that were five six seven eight years old

3071
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,239
talking to them today now westall went

3072
01:57:26,470 --> 01:57:24,880
down in the sixties and so those

3073
01:57:29,430 --> 01:57:26,480
witnesses now are

3074
01:57:32,229 --> 01:57:29,440
45 50 years old but to hear their

3075
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:32,239
testimony today anyway i'm serious i

3076
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:34,080
have fallen asleep to that westall

3077
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:35,360
documentary

3078
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:37,520
and the way that it's put together good

3079
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:40,000
dreams good dreams follow

3080
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:43,040
it's a it's an amazing case and the

3081
01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:45,840
parallels are right there

3082
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:48,400
the same thing children tell the truth

3083
01:57:54,229 --> 01:57:51,360
they just do you know and when you have

3084
01:57:56,310 --> 01:57:54,239
uh one after another describing the same

3085
01:57:57,270 --> 01:57:56,320
thing the same thing the same thing and

3086
01:58:03,589 --> 01:57:57,280
and

3087
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:03,599
all of that eyewitness uh testimony too

3088
01:58:07,589 --> 01:58:05,760
as well so you get the mix of the two

3089
01:58:10,229 --> 01:58:07,599
and it's the same thing

3090
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:10,239
uh with zimbabwe two fascinating cases

3091
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:12,480
i'm glad you're gonna get melbourne in

3092
01:58:16,149 --> 01:58:15,119
west all yeah absolutely yes

3093
01:58:18,390 --> 01:58:16,159
all right

3094
01:58:20,470 --> 01:58:18,400
uh go ahead go ahead james say if i was

3095
01:58:21,430 --> 01:58:20,480
observing activity on earth and i wanted

3096
01:58:23,430 --> 01:58:21,440
to

3097
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:23,440
you know sort of make contact i think i

3098
01:58:26,790 --> 01:58:24,880
would much prefer

3099
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:26,800
establishing contact with children as

3100
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:29,360
opposed to the the military who are

3101
01:58:33,589 --> 01:58:31,520
totally hostile

3102
01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:33,599
you know i mean it makes sense if it was

3103
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:35,280
the case that it would be a much more

3104
01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:39,119
benign presence would be children

3105
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:40,960
one of the things i wanted to touch upon

3106
01:58:46,149 --> 01:58:45,040
before we jump into virginia virginia

3107
01:58:48,229 --> 01:58:46,159
brazil

3108
01:58:49,589 --> 01:58:48,239
is what tracy had talked about earlier

3109
01:58:52,950 --> 01:58:49,599
uh with

3110
01:58:54,229 --> 01:58:52,960
uh how they are exposing us now

3111
01:58:56,950 --> 01:58:54,239
you know we have all this modern

3112
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:56,960
technology and it appears that

3113
01:59:01,109 --> 01:58:58,800
you know blatantly they're avoiding it

3114
01:59:03,270 --> 01:59:01,119
and they're aware of it i i get that but

3115
01:59:04,629 --> 01:59:03,280
this is the deal

3116
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:04,639
with uh

3117
01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:07,760
uh science trying to

3118
01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:08,560
uh

3119
01:59:11,189 --> 01:59:10,080
convince us

3120
01:59:13,270 --> 01:59:11,199
well

3121
01:59:16,470 --> 01:59:13,280
uh in their research of

3122
01:59:18,790 --> 01:59:16,480
parallel universes and and and 11

3123
01:59:20,709 --> 01:59:18,800
dimensions and string theory

3124
01:59:22,870 --> 01:59:20,719
and all of that and that's what they're

3125
01:59:24,709 --> 01:59:22,880
studying well if that is all of that is

3126
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:24,719
indeed the case

3127
01:59:31,990 --> 01:59:28,320
then certainly we're dealing with

3128
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:32,000
uh an intelligence that knows that too

3129
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:34,719
you know they're far far more advanced

3130
01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:36,719
than this and they're quite aware of

3131
01:59:42,950 --> 01:59:40,000
string theory and parallel universes and

3132
01:59:45,510 --> 01:59:42,960
and and and parallel timelines and so

3133
01:59:46,790 --> 01:59:45,520
forth well if that is indeed the case

3134
01:59:49,109 --> 01:59:46,800
well then

3135
01:59:51,830 --> 01:59:49,119
certainly they have the ability to jump

3136
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:51,840
in and out of whatever is right next to

3137
01:59:56,390 --> 01:59:54,639
us you know another dimension and that's

3138
01:59:57,669 --> 01:59:56,400
probably exactly what you're talking

3139
02:00:00,070 --> 01:59:57,679
about tracy

3140
02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:00,080
you're able to just jump out

3141
02:00:05,910 --> 02:00:03,520
and jump back in and therefore you don't

3142
02:00:07,510 --> 02:00:05,920
really see anything fly you just see

3143
02:00:09,430 --> 02:00:07,520
something appear

3144
02:00:11,270 --> 02:00:09,440
and disappear and you don't have the

3145
02:00:12,870 --> 02:00:11,280
ability to

3146
02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:12,880
by the time you take out your cell phone

3147
02:00:16,790 --> 02:00:15,199
camera and click on video it's gone it's

3148
02:00:19,189 --> 02:00:16,800
back to work

3149
02:00:21,910 --> 02:00:19,199
and no one should underestimate the fact

3150
02:00:24,070 --> 02:00:21,920
that mainstream science here on earth

3151
02:00:27,189 --> 02:00:24,080
believes that the distances between the

3152
02:00:29,189 --> 02:00:27,199
stars are simply too great i hear it all

3153
02:00:31,030 --> 02:00:29,199
the time right there can be nobody

3154
02:00:32,790 --> 02:00:31,040
coming here because it would take too

3155
02:00:34,629 --> 02:00:32,800
long for them to get here

3156
02:00:35,430 --> 02:00:34,639
so it's foolish to even think they would

3157
02:00:37,510 --> 02:00:35,440
try

3158
02:00:39,430 --> 02:00:37,520
uh and i think it's really foolish that

3159
02:00:41,109 --> 02:00:39,440
we believe that we know all the ways to

3160
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:41,119
get around the universe

3161
02:00:45,830 --> 02:00:42,880
absolutely

3162
02:00:47,910 --> 02:00:45,840
are probably ways of getting around the

3163
02:00:50,790 --> 02:00:47,920
universe that we can't even imagine yet

3164
02:00:53,189 --> 02:00:50,800
where you can instantaneously be one

3165
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:53,199
place and then be somewhere else it may

3166
02:00:56,310 --> 02:00:55,199
involve interdimensionality very

3167
02:00:59,270 --> 02:00:56,320
possibly

3168
02:01:01,270 --> 02:00:59,280
uh but i think we just don't know and so

3169
02:01:03,750 --> 02:01:01,280
we we haven't really been in space for

3170
02:01:04,629 --> 02:01:03,760
very long as a as a race

3171
02:01:06,950 --> 02:01:04,639
and

3172
02:01:09,750 --> 02:01:06,960
you know but i think that once you start

3173
02:01:11,910 --> 02:01:09,760
to get into where they're coming from

3174
02:01:14,149 --> 02:01:11,920
and why they're coming here

3175
02:01:16,070 --> 02:01:14,159
etc that's the slippery slope

3176
02:01:19,189 --> 02:01:16,080
because i think that that's the big

3177
02:01:21,109 --> 02:01:19,199
mystery we we really don't really know

3178
02:01:23,830 --> 02:01:21,119
the answers to that well i don't think

3179
02:01:25,270 --> 02:01:23,840
it's a slippery slope at all and i'll

3180
02:01:26,629 --> 02:01:25,280
tell you why

3181
02:01:28,390 --> 02:01:26,639
we're doing

3182
02:01:30,149 --> 02:01:28,400
exactly that

3183
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:30,159
we are looking to the stars we are

3184
02:01:33,830 --> 02:01:32,400
looking for life we uh you know we have

3185
02:01:35,750 --> 02:01:33,840
kepler we have

3186
02:01:37,189 --> 02:01:35,760
so many software programs that are

3187
02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:37,199
detecting

3188
02:01:41,430 --> 02:01:39,280
you know wavering light around distant

3189
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:41,440
planets so we can and distant stars so

3190
02:01:44,950 --> 02:01:43,199
we can look at things in other solar

3191
02:01:47,270 --> 02:01:44,960
that's exactly what we're doing we are

3192
02:01:50,070 --> 02:01:47,280
searching for life and we are intrigued

3193
02:01:52,550 --> 02:01:50,080
with that so if we are doing it then how

3194
02:01:55,350 --> 02:01:52,560
can you stop and think that or just deny

3195
02:01:56,390 --> 02:01:55,360
that they wouldn't be doing the exact

3196
02:02:00,390 --> 02:01:56,400
same

3197
02:02:02,790 --> 02:02:00,400
thing end of story close the book if we

3198
02:02:04,229 --> 02:02:02,800
are doing it then so are they and that's

3199
02:02:07,510 --> 02:02:04,239
it and they've been doing it a lot

3200
02:02:11,910 --> 02:02:09,109
it makes sense to me i mean i think

3201
02:02:15,510 --> 02:02:11,920
that's the most likely explanation so i

3202
02:02:19,030 --> 02:02:18,070
i think 10 12 years ago for out of the

3203
02:02:20,470 --> 02:02:19,040
blue

3204
02:02:22,870 --> 02:02:20,480
and i remember

3205
02:02:24,390 --> 02:02:22,880
uh the introduction to get the interview

3206
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:24,400
because right after he done elegant

3207
02:02:27,350 --> 02:02:25,599
universe

3208
02:02:30,550 --> 02:02:27,360
uh wasn't

3209
02:02:32,629 --> 02:02:30,560
hey i'm making a ufo documentary

3210
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:32,639
would you be willing to participate i

3211
02:02:38,229 --> 02:02:36,159
said something like do you anticipate

3212
02:02:40,550 --> 02:02:38,239
uh us being

3213
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:40,560
a civilization restricted in terms of

3214
02:02:45,189 --> 02:02:43,280
space exploration by the vast distances

3215
02:02:46,790 --> 02:02:45,199
and he granted me an interview but is it

3216
02:02:49,109 --> 02:02:46,800
very interesting you know mainstream

3217
02:02:50,790 --> 02:02:49,119
science to talk about

3218
02:02:53,669 --> 02:02:50,800
the way he was breaking it down that

3219
02:02:55,109 --> 02:02:53,679
space fabric is malleable you would say

3220
02:02:57,030 --> 02:02:55,119
look you know you don't think of going

3221
02:02:59,350 --> 02:02:57,040
from point a to point b

3222
02:03:01,669 --> 02:02:59,360
you bend or warp or fold the space-time

3223
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:01,679
fabric between the two points like you

3224
02:03:05,189 --> 02:03:03,520
know wormhole or something and these

3225
02:03:06,390 --> 02:03:05,199
were concepts that you know he was

3226
02:03:07,990 --> 02:03:06,400
saying look you know just because we

3227
02:03:09,750 --> 02:03:08,000
don't know how to do it they're quite

3228
02:03:11,830 --> 02:03:09,760
positive that this is this is how it's

3229
02:03:12,709 --> 02:03:11,840
done and this is you know 12 years ago

3230
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:12,719
so

3231
02:03:16,790 --> 02:03:14,400
it's very interesting that mainstream

3232
02:03:18,229 --> 02:03:16,800
science is accepting of that theory and

3233
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:18,239
they're accepting of the fact that

3234
02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:19,040
there's

3235
02:03:23,830 --> 02:03:21,280
the universe has to be teeming with life

3236
02:03:25,990 --> 02:03:23,840
just because of the odds and yet

3237
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:26,000
to assume that someone else has gone

3238
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:28,000
gotten figured it out and come here

3239
02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:29,440
that's where they kind of draw the line

3240
02:03:33,830 --> 02:03:32,320
and that's to me it's it's it's very uh

3241
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:33,840
short-sighted it's very

3242
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:35,920
um

3243
02:03:39,910 --> 02:03:38,400
i got that pc once again

3244
02:03:42,550 --> 02:03:39,920
it's okay it's okay

3245
02:03:45,109 --> 02:03:42,560
it's the nsa brother that's all

3246
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:45,119
it's the nsa brother

3247
02:03:50,229 --> 02:03:47,440
hey uh tracy can i can i ask you about

3248
02:03:52,390 --> 02:03:50,239
jacques villa for a second sure sure uh

3249
02:03:54,550 --> 02:03:52,400
what was it like working for him and by

3250
02:03:57,270 --> 02:03:54,560
the way um i say it every night on the

3251
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:57,280
show when i bring up jacques uh he is an

3252
02:04:02,790 --> 02:03:59,679
alien i'm convinced of that i'm

3253
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:02,800
convinced the guy's eyes just absolutely

3254
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:09,109
you know what i'm talking about too so

3255
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:11,280
yeah when you look into his eyes you

3256
02:04:16,070 --> 02:04:13,520
just go wow wow

3257
02:04:18,470 --> 02:04:16,080
wow not of this planet um i'm just

3258
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:18,480
kidding so what was it like working uh

3259
02:04:23,830 --> 02:04:21,040
with jacques well i think that you know

3260
02:04:25,910 --> 02:04:23,840
his intellect is so is so powerful he's

3261
02:04:28,070 --> 02:04:25,920
such a smart guy

3262
02:04:29,830 --> 02:04:28,080
that it's almost intimidating sometimes

3263
02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:29,840
sure he speaks you know he speaks

3264
02:04:34,629 --> 02:04:32,320
english better than i do right and he's

3265
02:04:37,189 --> 02:04:34,639
born in france right

3266
02:04:39,430 --> 02:04:37,199
so you know he used to sometimes come up

3267
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:39,440
with a word in english and i would say

3268
02:04:44,070 --> 02:04:40,800
god i've never even heard that word

3269
02:04:47,030 --> 02:04:45,350
but

3270
02:04:48,629 --> 02:04:47,040
it was a great experience actually

3271
02:04:50,229 --> 02:04:48,639
working with him we worked on a film

3272
02:04:53,350 --> 02:04:50,239
called messengers of deception for

3273
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:53,360
universal studios with joe dante as the

3274
02:04:58,870 --> 02:04:56,320
director and uh robert weiss who did

3275
02:05:00,709 --> 02:04:58,880
sliders and did uh all the naked gun

3276
02:05:01,830 --> 02:05:00,719
movies was one of the producers on it

3277
02:05:03,910 --> 02:05:01,840
and uh

3278
02:05:06,070 --> 02:05:03,920
that was quite an amazing project we

3279
02:05:08,629 --> 02:05:06,080
went out to area 51 together and nearly

3280
02:05:11,510 --> 02:05:08,639
got arrested uh i think long before most

3281
02:05:13,510 --> 02:05:11,520
people had heard of earlier 51

3282
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:13,520
and then we ended up collaborating on

3283
02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:16,000
this novel fast walker together

3284
02:05:19,109 --> 02:05:17,920
and it's really a friendship that i

3285
02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:19,119
treasure

3286
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,440
because it's always so fascinating to

3287
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:23,679
talk to him i stay in

3288
02:05:27,510 --> 02:05:25,440
touch with him and i would say we speak

3289
02:05:28,229 --> 02:05:27,520
you know several times a year he lives

3290
02:05:31,430 --> 02:05:28,239
in

3291
02:05:32,709 --> 02:05:31,440
angeles but

3292
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:32,719
um but

3293
02:05:35,830 --> 02:05:34,000
it's one of the friendships that i

3294
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:35,840
really treasure because i have so much

3295
02:05:42,310 --> 02:05:38,880
respect for him he always has a unique

3296
02:05:46,390 --> 02:05:42,320
viewpoint um he's actually

3297
02:05:48,229 --> 02:05:46,400
very anti-abduction right and he's also

3298
02:05:50,950 --> 02:05:48,239
does not believe in the extraterrestrial

3299
02:05:53,070 --> 02:05:50,960
theory right so we sort of are a part on

3300
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:53,080
both of those things uh the

3301
02:05:57,830 --> 02:05:55,599
extraterrestrial theory um and by the

3302
02:06:00,229 --> 02:05:57,840
way i don't i'm i'm we've got i want you

3303
02:06:01,669 --> 02:06:00,239
to tell me the story about area 51.

3304
02:06:03,750 --> 02:06:01,679
let's get back to that

3305
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:03,760
but uh the

3306
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:06,000
i i can see where

3307
02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:09,119
the original ideas of that the original

3308
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:10,960
theory itself

3309
02:06:15,990 --> 02:06:13,440
now it's a little hard to swallow

3310
02:06:17,270 --> 02:06:16,000
it is now we can accept you know we were

3311
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:17,280
just talking about the you know

3312
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:19,520
alternate universes and parallel this

3313
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:20,320
and

3314
02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:27,040
than just you know jump in a spaceship

3315
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:28,560
and turn the key

3316
02:06:32,550 --> 02:06:30,960
and drive for 10 000 light years you

3317
02:06:35,430 --> 02:06:32,560
know so

3318
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:35,440
um i'm i'm i i think i'm with them on

3319
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:36,320
that

3320
02:06:41,350 --> 02:06:39,119
um there's there's other ideas too as

3321
02:06:43,669 --> 02:06:41,360
well with uh with what arthur c clarke

3322
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:43,679
did in the rama series of books

3323
02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:45,360
where you know they've just built a

3324
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:47,520
spaceship large

3325
02:06:52,950 --> 02:06:50,400
put robots on it and then it just it

3326
02:06:55,030 --> 02:06:52,960
goes you know for a million years and it

3327
02:06:57,910 --> 02:06:55,040
ends up where it ends up so you know

3328
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:57,920
that yeah i can get that too but okay so

3329
02:07:02,470 --> 02:07:00,400
anyway let's get back to jacques and you

3330
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:02,480
you guys almost got arrested did you

3331
02:07:06,950 --> 02:07:04,639
bump heads with security

3332
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:06,960
yeah and what happened it was a

3333
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:09,360
fascinating thing that happened actually

3334
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:12,400
we were doing research for the film we

3335
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:14,400
heard about bob lazar

3336
02:07:19,430 --> 02:07:16,639
so we went up to las vegas this was

3337
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:19,440
robert weiss uh from naked gun movies

3338
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:21,840
myself jacques and my fiancee terry at

3339
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:24,320
the time the four of us we went up to

3340
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:25,679
las vegas

3341
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:29,360
we were told the directions to area 51

3342
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:31,280
this was back in a time when that had

3343
02:07:37,510 --> 02:07:33,679
not gotten very much publicity at all

3344
02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:37,520
sort of a new thing so 1990 1990 uh yeah

3345
02:07:41,910 --> 02:07:39,440
yeah somewhere right around that right

3346
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:41,920
we drove in a car out into the middle of

3347
02:07:45,589 --> 02:07:43,040
the desert

3348
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:45,599
we're passing sign after sign telling us

3349
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:47,520
that we're going on government property

3350
02:07:50,470 --> 02:07:49,199
and we need to turn back and all that

3351
02:07:52,629 --> 02:07:50,480
kind of stuff

3352
02:07:54,390 --> 02:07:52,639
we're ignoring it we're blasting the

3353
02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:54,400
radio and just having a good time and

3354
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:56,719
not taking it all too seriously

3355
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:59,040
we come up over a rise in the road and

3356
02:08:03,030 --> 02:08:00,719
all of a sudden there's guys in

3357
02:08:05,830 --> 02:08:03,040
camouflage with machine guns

3358
02:08:09,669 --> 02:08:05,840
blocking our pass

3359
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:10,870
and uh

3360
02:08:15,830 --> 02:08:13,840
the most amazing part of the story is uh

3361
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:15,840
bob weiss again was best friends with

3362
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:18,639
john belushi and dan aykroyd and he has

3363
02:08:21,669 --> 02:08:19,520
a very

3364
02:08:24,390 --> 02:08:21,679
strong comedy background

3365
02:08:26,149 --> 02:08:24,400
so i'll never forget the the the guys

3366
02:08:28,149 --> 02:08:26,159
with machine guns very angry looking

3367
02:08:29,990 --> 02:08:28,159
guys they're surrounding the car

3368
02:08:31,510 --> 02:08:30,000
and some guy shouted us what the hell

3369
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,520
are you doing didn't you see the signs

3370
02:08:36,069 --> 02:08:33,599
where do you think you're going and bob

3371
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:36,079
weiss goes we are portuguese sponge

3372
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:38,159
fisherman's we were looking for the

3373
02:08:42,709 --> 02:08:40,400
pacific and we took a wrong turn

3374
02:08:44,229 --> 02:08:42,719
and everyone in the car started busting

3375
02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:44,239
up because it was just such an amazing

3376
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:47,440
thing to say given what was going on

3377
02:08:51,189 --> 02:08:49,599
and these guys with machine guns they

3378
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:51,199
didn't think it was funny at all they

3379
02:08:56,470 --> 02:08:53,440
didn't even crack a smile or anything

3380
02:08:58,069 --> 02:08:56,480
they just got a little bit more angry

3381
02:09:00,390 --> 02:08:58,079
i mean so

3382
02:09:01,990 --> 02:09:00,400
they uh they surrounded us they kept us

3383
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,000
sitting in the desert for the better

3384
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:04,480
part of an hour and then we had to sign

3385
02:09:08,550 --> 02:09:06,800
these papers that said that we had

3386
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:08,560
crossed over into government property

3387
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:10,880
and we would never do it again

3388
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:13,280
and when they finally let us go they

3389
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:15,840
followed us uh all the way back to

3390
02:09:20,470 --> 02:09:18,239
rachel the little town near there right

3391
02:09:23,669 --> 02:09:20,480
uh and they followed us the entire way

3392
02:09:26,709 --> 02:09:23,679
back and um that was our experience of

3393
02:09:28,629 --> 02:09:26,719
area 51 almost getting arrested uh and i

3394
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:28,639
was with john fellay when it happened so

3395
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:29,840
it was quite

3396
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:32,400
quite a surrealistic event but uh i'm

3397
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:34,400
just picturing you and jock in a holding

3398
02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:36,480
cell handcuffed

3399
02:09:41,990 --> 02:09:39,520
somebody's got to make the phone call

3400
02:09:43,430 --> 02:09:42,000
just said to me the other day again the

3401
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:43,440
last time i talked to him which was a

3402
02:09:47,830 --> 02:09:45,280
few weeks ago

3403
02:09:50,870 --> 02:09:47,840
he said you know the extraterrestrial

3404
02:09:53,830 --> 02:09:50,880
the eth of a hypothesis

3405
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:53,840
just does not fit what they're doing

3406
02:09:57,669 --> 02:09:55,760
and he said that kind of thing to me

3407
02:09:59,350 --> 02:09:57,679
before but i kind of asked him to

3408
02:10:01,189 --> 02:09:59,360
elaborate and he

3409
02:10:03,109 --> 02:10:01,199
he basically said you know the things

3410
02:10:04,470 --> 02:10:03,119
that they're reported to be doing when

3411
02:10:06,310 --> 02:10:04,480
they come here

3412
02:10:08,790 --> 02:10:06,320
just doesn't strike me as being what

3413
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:08,800
extraterrestrials would be doing yeah i

3414
02:10:14,149 --> 02:10:11,679
i watched an interview with him uh the

3415
02:10:16,470 --> 02:10:14,159
doctor have you ever seen the old uh

3416
02:10:18,870 --> 02:10:16,480
interviews with uh dr mishlov have you

3417
02:10:20,310 --> 02:10:18,880
guys ever gone and and youtube that

3418
02:10:22,709 --> 02:10:20,320
okay i don't think so okay write that

3419
02:10:25,350 --> 02:10:22,719
down mish love okay

3420
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:25,360
all right go watch he does an interview

3421
02:10:29,350 --> 02:10:27,119
with uh he does another one terence

3422
02:10:30,550 --> 02:10:29,360
mckenna that it's just we'll we'll floor

3423
02:10:32,790 --> 02:10:30,560
you but anyway

3424
02:10:33,669 --> 02:10:32,800
this is like the mid 80s

3425
02:10:35,910 --> 02:10:33,679
and

3426
02:10:37,669 --> 02:10:35,920
jacques squints his eyes you know how he

3427
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:37,679
does that you know he squints his eyes

3428
02:10:40,830 --> 02:10:39,040
and he just looks right at him and he

3429
02:10:44,149 --> 02:10:40,840
goes no you know that's not what they're

3430
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:44,159
doing and it's just it's coming from you

3431
02:10:48,629 --> 02:10:45,920
know like you're saying it's coming from

3432
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:48,639
an intelligence that you have to trust

3433
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:50,480
and i'm serious i think he's an alien

3434
02:10:54,950 --> 02:10:52,880
i'm serious about that i think uh

3435
02:10:56,550 --> 02:10:54,960
would you please tell jacques that i

3436
02:10:58,870 --> 02:10:56,560
want him on the show

3437
02:11:00,629 --> 02:10:58,880
and uh i've reached out to him over the

3438
02:11:03,189 --> 02:11:00,639
last couple of weeks

3439
02:11:04,790 --> 02:11:03,199
and he's very important to all of us and

3440
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:04,800
i would love to get him on the show in

3441
02:11:09,270 --> 02:11:07,199
the audience he needs to speak some more

3442
02:11:11,669 --> 02:11:09,280
i know he's so busy with his you know

3443
02:11:13,270 --> 02:11:11,679
his venture capital and his intelligence

3444
02:11:14,709 --> 02:11:13,280
network and computers and everything

3445
02:11:17,109 --> 02:11:14,719
else that they do

3446
02:11:19,109 --> 02:11:17,119
but uh he needs to speak more and i

3447
02:11:21,350 --> 02:11:19,119
would love to get him on this show yeah

3448
02:11:23,750 --> 02:11:21,360
he's actually the big missing piece on

3449
02:11:33,189 --> 02:11:23,760
701 i mean we really really wanted to

3450
02:11:37,430 --> 02:11:36,069
all right everybody it's all good

3451
02:11:39,510 --> 02:11:37,440
it's all good

3452
02:11:42,149 --> 02:11:39,520
this is fade to black only on the dark

3453
02:11:44,229 --> 02:11:42,159
matter radio network

3454
02:11:46,069 --> 02:11:44,239
all right we got a ton of email go ahead

3455
02:11:48,149 --> 02:11:46,079
and shoot me a couple of more and i will

3456
02:11:50,550 --> 02:11:48,159
get all of the questions in

3457
02:11:53,669 --> 02:11:50,560
i promise jimmy jimmy churchradio.com

3458
02:11:55,910 --> 02:11:53,679
follow us on twitter at j church radio

3459
02:11:58,310 --> 02:11:55,920
all right james are you back with us

3460
02:12:00,470 --> 02:11:58,320
i am right here okay uh you sound like

3461
02:12:02,390 --> 02:12:00,480
you're on speakerphone but uh taking it

3462
02:12:04,629 --> 02:12:02,400
off okay

3463
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:04,639
and we've got tracy everybody's back how

3464
02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:06,719
are you trace i know we should never

3465
02:12:10,149 --> 02:12:08,480
have started talking about jacques lake

3466
02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:10,159
as strange things always happen isn't

3467
02:12:12,229 --> 02:12:11,440
that bizarre

3468
02:12:18,310 --> 02:12:12,239
yeah

3469
02:12:20,870 --> 02:12:18,320
jack how did when it's a giant shock

3470
02:12:22,709 --> 02:12:20,880
shot

3471
02:12:23,990 --> 02:12:22,719
so when you talk to him what do you what

3472
02:12:25,910 --> 02:12:24,000
do you what do you use what do you say

3473
02:12:26,790 --> 02:12:25,920
to him in in public i mean how do you

3474
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:26,800
call him

3475
02:12:35,350 --> 02:12:32,960
he actually has a pretty good sense of

3476
02:12:37,669 --> 02:12:35,360
humor and we've had a lot of good times

3477
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:37,679
together over the years it's really a a

3478
02:12:42,550 --> 02:12:39,599
friendship that i actually really

3479
02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:42,560
treasure he's uh such a unique guy

3480
02:12:48,229 --> 02:12:44,880
there's one thing i i have to ask before

3481
02:12:49,430 --> 02:12:48,239
we move on and uh talk about uh uh

3482
02:12:52,470 --> 02:12:49,440
virginia

3483
02:12:54,790 --> 02:12:52,480
which is and i do have a bunch of email

3484
02:12:55,910 --> 02:12:54,800
and i do have to uh to get some of these

3485
02:12:58,870 --> 02:12:55,920
in by the way

3486
02:13:00,830 --> 02:12:58,880
uh is this do you think do you think he

3487
02:13:03,910 --> 02:13:00,840
knows something that we

3488
02:13:05,270 --> 02:13:03,920
don't it you know about e.t do you get

3489
02:13:08,069 --> 02:13:05,280
that sense

3490
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:08,079
that that's a very interesting that you

3491
02:13:13,350 --> 02:13:11,280
would ask that question um because yes

3492
02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:13,360
the answer to that is yes i

3493
02:13:18,790 --> 02:13:17,040
i always feel that jock knows a bit more

3494
02:13:20,709 --> 02:13:18,800
than he's ever saying

3495
02:13:23,510 --> 02:13:20,719
uh he certainly has you know connections

3496
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:23,520
in high places in intelligence circles

3497
02:13:26,229 --> 02:13:25,440
you you seem to be aware of that too

3498
02:13:29,510 --> 02:13:26,239
right

3499
02:13:32,149 --> 02:13:29,520
uh and uh yes i i think if anybody

3500
02:13:34,870 --> 02:13:32,159
really knows you know other than our

3501
02:13:37,510 --> 02:13:34,880
source that we use on 701 who certainly

3502
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:37,520
seems to know a lot of stuff uh jacques

3503
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:39,760
is another guy that i believe has such

3504
02:13:43,589 --> 02:13:41,440
great connections in

3505
02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:43,599
high places all over the world

3506
02:13:47,270 --> 02:13:45,599
that i think that he's very likely to be

3507
02:13:49,350 --> 02:13:47,280
someone that knows more than what he's

3508
02:13:51,910 --> 02:13:49,360
really saying you think we can expect a

3509
02:13:54,229 --> 02:13:51,920
deathbed confession

3510
02:13:56,069 --> 02:13:54,239
well you know i hate to even think of it

3511
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:56,079
in those terms but i know what you're

3512
02:14:00,550 --> 02:13:59,040
saying um i don't know no i i tend to

3513
02:14:02,790 --> 02:14:00,560
think jacques is more someone that would

3514
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:02,800
take those type of secrets to his grave

3515
02:14:06,950 --> 02:14:05,360
to be honest with you oh don't you guys

3516
02:14:07,830 --> 02:14:06,960
have been bumming me out all night now

3517
02:14:09,030 --> 02:14:07,840
that's

3518
02:14:11,910 --> 02:14:09,040
got to stop

3519
02:14:13,830 --> 02:14:11,920
it just i can tell and like i said

3520
02:14:15,830 --> 02:14:13,840
there's something going on when you look

3521
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:15,840
in his eyes and

3522
02:14:19,270 --> 02:14:17,920
you're listening to him speak

3523
02:14:20,950 --> 02:14:19,280
you know that there's something there

3524
02:14:23,669 --> 02:14:20,960
and it's coming from not only

3525
02:14:26,069 --> 02:14:23,679
intelligence but there's there's

3526
02:14:27,830 --> 02:14:26,079
knowledge there's something there when

3527
02:14:30,629 --> 02:14:27,840
it comes to jacques and you know he's

3528
02:14:32,629 --> 02:14:30,639
given he's given you 90 percent and we

3529
02:14:35,510 --> 02:14:32,639
want that other 10 percent you know and

3530
02:14:38,470 --> 02:14:35,520
i know i know he knows something he's a

3531
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:38,480
very very uh private person by nature

3532
02:14:42,950 --> 02:14:40,320
though that's another thing about him

3533
02:14:45,669 --> 02:14:42,960
you know i bumped i bumped into jacques

3534
02:14:47,350 --> 02:14:45,679
with another fairly prominent physicist

3535
02:14:48,149 --> 02:14:47,360
uh just a couple of months ago actually

3536
02:14:49,990 --> 02:14:48,159
in

3537
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:50,000
palo alto

3538
02:14:54,470 --> 02:14:52,400
and i was very keen on getting to talk

3539
02:14:57,030 --> 02:14:54,480
to him and i brought up my relationship

3540
02:14:59,830 --> 02:14:57,040
with tracy in the film 701 project and

3541
02:15:02,310 --> 02:14:59,840
he he knew of it uh tracy has been

3542
02:15:03,990 --> 02:15:02,320
contacting him uh you know for the last

3543
02:15:06,830 --> 02:15:04,000
year or so right tracy trying to get him

3544
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:06,840
to participate in our production

3545
02:15:11,109 --> 02:15:09,760
consultant and uh he said james look

3546
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:11,119
i'll tell you this

3547
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:13,360
um it's not so much a question of what

3548
02:15:16,950 --> 02:15:15,520
the government knows the big secret is

3549
02:15:18,470 --> 02:15:16,960
more of a question of what they don't

3550
02:15:20,830 --> 02:15:18,480
know

3551
02:15:24,790 --> 02:15:20,840
that really stuck to me

3552
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:24,800
um well and i i i really it bothers me

3553
02:15:30,470 --> 02:15:27,679
when i make the references to hollywood

3554
02:15:34,149 --> 02:15:30,480
but with close encounters

3555
02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:34,159
and spielberg and and jacques there to

3556
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:35,280
me

3557
02:15:43,350 --> 02:15:39,840
and

3558
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:43,360
i i i i don't think we can deny that i i

3559
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:46,800
really in my bones in my and and with

3560
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:48,719
heineck too as well

3561
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:51,840
involved it felt like there was it was

3562
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:54,239
and it was so long ago too let's think

3563
02:15:59,669 --> 02:15:56,960
about that's 40 years ago doesn't seem

3564
02:16:02,149 --> 02:15:59,679
like it but it's a long time ago

3565
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:02,159
but that movie had a message to it and i

3566
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:04,480
think it was all based on fact

3567
02:16:08,310 --> 02:16:06,480
and and i'm not going out on the limb

3568
02:16:10,629 --> 02:16:08,320
here i'm talking about who was involved

3569
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,639
in the picture itself

3570
02:16:13,990 --> 02:16:12,400
oh look i was going through an interview

3571
02:16:15,589 --> 02:16:14,000
that was done with dr jalen heineck in

3572
02:16:18,310 --> 02:16:15,599
1979 and

3573
02:16:19,750 --> 02:16:18,320
he's very he's so funny he says well if

3574
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:19,760
you don't mind terribly of throwing

3575
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:22,800
modesty to the wind i actually um

3576
02:16:25,669 --> 02:16:24,480
you know the a lot of the work that i

3577
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:25,679
did for the united states air force

3578
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:26,719
that's what hiding said yeah a lot of

3579
02:16:29,990 --> 02:16:27,840
the work i did in the united states air

3580
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:30,000
force right down to driver's face being

3581
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:32,479
burned was all in project lubric files

3582
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:34,719
that i investigated um

3583
02:16:39,349 --> 02:16:36,399
translated over into

3584
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:41,110
i think tracy's talking to one of his

3585
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:44,080
dogs okay i'm sorry i thought i had the

3586
02:16:52,230 --> 02:16:50,230
but anyway heineken talked about the

3587
02:16:53,429 --> 02:16:52,240
fact that they had you know spielberg

3588
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:53,439
had used

3589
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:55,840
cases of flight characteristics size

3590
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:57,359
shape except for the big chandelier at

3591
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:59,599
the end the mothership but you know down

3592
02:17:03,030 --> 02:17:01,519
right down to the to the alleged beings

3593
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:03,040
and their shape and

3594
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,160
all that stuff

3595
02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:06,080
so he talked about that rather openly in

3596
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:08,800
this interview in 79 so i think that

3597
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:10,960
you know spielberg's way of

3598
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:13,200
letting the insider know that you know a

3599
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:15,200
lot of this was based on fact

3600
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:18,240
uh reality was to have you know a cameo

3601
02:17:22,950 --> 02:17:20,719
appearance of of heineken in the film

3602
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:22,960
smoking a cigar during the the close

3603
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:24,880
encounter of the third kind which

3604
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:26,960
coincidentally you know a heineken

3605
02:17:31,830 --> 02:17:30,399
coined you know tracy i i have to throw

3606
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:31,840
this out at you then i'm going to get to

3607
02:17:36,549 --> 02:17:33,840
some of these questions uh from the

3608
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:36,559
listeners do you think and i asked this

3609
02:17:40,150 --> 02:17:38,399
a lot of guests

3610
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:40,160
uh this question but do you think

3611
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:42,559
spielberg also do you think spielberg is

3612
02:17:47,750 --> 02:17:44,639
is on the no

3613
02:17:50,469 --> 02:17:47,760
yeah he seems to he really enjoys making

3614
02:17:52,389 --> 02:17:50,479
these films uh one after another eight

3615
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:52,399
millimeter war of the worlds close

3616
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:54,479
encounters e.t

3617
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:55,359
you know

3618
02:17:59,509 --> 02:17:57,359
obviously obviously it's an interest of

3619
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:59,519
his there's no question about that

3620
02:18:02,549 --> 02:18:00,719
there's also

3621
02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:02,559
fascinating thing in close encounters

3622
02:18:06,150 --> 02:18:04,719
that most people are not aware of you

3623
02:18:08,469 --> 02:18:06,160
know how there's that big scene where

3624
02:18:09,910 --> 02:18:08,479
they keep getting these numbers

3625
02:18:11,830 --> 02:18:09,920
and they don't know what the numbers

3626
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:11,840
mean right and eventually they get a

3627
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:13,760
globe and they realize that the numbers

3628
02:18:18,549 --> 02:18:16,160
are longitude and latitude right and

3629
02:18:21,270 --> 02:18:18,559
it's supposed to be a landing site of

3630
02:18:23,190 --> 02:18:21,280
the aliens and it ends up being devil's

3631
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:23,200
tower wyoming

3632
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:25,679
well if you look at the numbers that are

3633
02:18:31,669 --> 02:18:28,080
on the screen in the movie it's not even

3634
02:18:33,990 --> 02:18:31,679
wyoming it's new mexico

3635
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:34,000
and i always wondered if that was some

3636
02:18:38,950 --> 02:18:37,120
kind of a secret subliminal message that

3637
02:18:39,990 --> 02:18:38,960
somebody in the know was sending to the

3638
02:18:41,669 --> 02:18:40,000
world

3639
02:18:43,830 --> 02:18:41,679
because we found of course the new

3640
02:18:46,309 --> 02:18:43,840
mexico and which we spent a lot of time

3641
02:18:47,750 --> 02:18:46,319
in new mexico but we found that it's

3642
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:47,760
such a key

3643
02:18:51,910 --> 02:18:50,160
place when it comes to this phenomena

3644
02:18:53,509 --> 02:18:51,920
there's just been so much stuff that has

3645
02:18:54,950 --> 02:18:53,519
gone on there

3646
02:18:58,150 --> 02:18:54,960
um

3647
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:58,160
roswell obviously is one example but uh

3648
02:19:02,950 --> 02:19:00,000
uh can you imagine that in close

3649
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:02,960
encounters they got the numbers wrong

3650
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:04,080
yeah right

3651
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:05,760
i mean that doesn't seem right right

3652
02:19:08,629 --> 02:19:07,040
i've always wondered about that i've

3653
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:08,639
never ever been able to get a really

3654
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:10,559
clear answer on why that is by the way

3655
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:12,399
where in new mexico do those numbers

3656
02:19:16,709 --> 02:19:14,000
take you do you know that's a really

3657
02:19:18,790 --> 02:19:16,719
good question uh and i don't remember i

3658
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:18,800
did at one time sort of know the answer

3659
02:19:22,870 --> 02:19:20,639
to that it was some

3660
02:19:25,270 --> 02:19:22,880
very specific place in new mexico but i

3661
02:19:27,509 --> 02:19:25,280
can't remember exactly where it was but

3662
02:19:29,589 --> 02:19:27,519
definitely the longitude and latitude

3663
02:19:32,629 --> 02:19:29,599
numbers that appear in close encounters

3664
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:32,639
are not wyoming there new mexico

3665
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:34,800
you know what you've just announced that

3666
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:36,160
to the world

3667
02:19:40,950 --> 02:19:38,399
i will find out i will find out in the

3668
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:40,960
next hour and i will i will get back to

3669
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:42,639
you guys on that all right let's let's

3670
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:44,160
bang out some questions this one's for

3671
02:19:49,110 --> 02:19:48,000
tracy is there evidence this is about uh

3672
02:19:51,190 --> 02:19:49,120
uh

3673
02:19:53,030 --> 02:19:51,200
star trek the next generation is there

3674
02:19:54,389 --> 02:19:53,040
any evidence that you know of that gene

3675
02:19:57,910 --> 02:19:54,399
roddenberry

3676
02:19:59,830 --> 02:19:57,920
was read in on the subject of ets in the

3677
02:20:01,990 --> 02:19:59,840
same way that many believe steven

3678
02:20:05,030 --> 02:20:02,000
spielberg and chris carter of the

3679
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:05,040
x-files and roland emmerich uh must have

3680
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:05,920
been

3681
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:07,920
well this is a very very disappointing

3682
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:09,600
answer because this is something that i

3683
02:20:13,429 --> 02:20:11,120
have talked about at star trek

3684
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:13,439
conventions and other things like that

3685
02:20:19,190 --> 02:20:15,600
gene roddenberry was one of the most

3686
02:20:20,230 --> 02:20:19,200
anti ufo guys you will ever meet in your

3687
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:20,240
life

3688
02:20:26,790 --> 02:20:23,920
he was an absolutely angrily

3689
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:26,800
skeptical about the whole subject he was

3690
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:29,280
very mad at me for doing the movie about

3691
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,720
travis walton

3692
02:20:35,750 --> 02:20:33,040
he read me the riot act about how that

3693
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:35,760
story was nonsense and the whole subject

3694
02:20:39,349 --> 02:20:37,280
is nonsense and

3695
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:39,359
these things are only seen at three in

3696
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:40,880
the morning by drunken farmers in

3697
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:43,840
nebraska they're never seen by pilots

3698
02:20:48,950 --> 02:20:46,319
they're never seen by astronomers now a

3699
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:48,960
lot of star trek people when i've told

3700
02:20:53,429 --> 02:20:51,200
this story they have real trouble

3701
02:20:55,110 --> 02:20:53,439
believing me because they really it's

3702
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:55,120
really disturbing to them in a lot of

3703
02:20:59,030 --> 02:20:57,520
ways that roddenberry would be so

3704
02:21:03,830 --> 02:20:59,040
anti-ufo

3705
02:21:05,750 --> 02:21:03,840
you'll ever meet in your life

3706
02:21:06,950 --> 02:21:05,760
uh very surprising i'm sure to many

3707
02:21:08,070 --> 02:21:06,960
people

3708
02:21:13,910 --> 02:21:08,080
wow

3709
02:21:15,830 --> 02:21:13,920
i'm i i i can jump into the next

3710
02:21:17,349 --> 02:21:15,840
question that i have in front of me but

3711
02:21:19,510 --> 02:21:17,359
i have to ponder

3712
02:21:22,070 --> 02:21:19,520
well he was a very close friend with

3713
02:21:25,990 --> 02:21:22,080
isaac asimov and ray bradbury

3714
02:21:27,110 --> 02:21:26,000
and both of them were very anti-ufo

3715
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:27,120
my name is

3716
02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:29,680
okay this uh this one goes to uh you

3717
02:21:34,389 --> 02:21:32,479
james my memory isn't perfect but i

3718
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:34,399
thought i heard

3719
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:36,560
mr fox say that there was information

3720
02:21:41,110 --> 02:21:39,680
about u.s uh air force chief of staff

3721
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:41,120
merrill mcpeak

3722
02:21:47,030 --> 02:21:43,840
in his co-produced new movie uh

3723
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:47,040
roswell that he saw stacks of files

3724
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:49,040
splayed out on a table but he didn't

3725
02:21:52,950 --> 02:21:50,960
stop to look at them

3726
02:21:55,910 --> 02:21:52,960
do you know what this is referring to

3727
02:21:58,150 --> 02:21:55,920
you know don schmidt had unfortunately

3728
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:58,160
left the interview a little prematurely

3729
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:00,479
and when that came out i'd shared that

3730
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:02,880
information with don schmidt because

3731
02:22:06,309 --> 02:22:04,640
we were very fortunate actually one of

3732
02:22:08,870 --> 02:22:06,319
our co-producers

3733
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:08,880
tony cataldo had been working with

3734
02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:10,800
uh former chief of staff

3735
02:22:15,030 --> 02:22:13,359
uh tony general mcpeak

3736
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:15,040
and he's like oh i think i can get

3737
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:16,880
mcpeek to come and you know give you an

3738
02:22:22,070 --> 02:22:18,479
on-camera statement and stuff and he was

3739
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:22,080
very the peak was not a pro-ufo position

3740
02:22:24,389 --> 02:22:23,040
but

3741
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:24,399
two things that he said that i thought

3742
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:26,880
were particular interest one was

3743
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:30,160
if ufo accounts would be believed

3744
02:22:34,469 --> 02:22:32,319
there was absolutely categorically

3745
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:34,479
nothing in the united states arsenal

3746
02:22:39,270 --> 02:22:36,560
that could account for those flight

3747
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:39,280
characteristics that was one and i said

3748
02:22:43,270 --> 02:22:41,200
look clearly if there were would you

3749
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:43,280
know about them and he said yes

3750
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:44,960
then the second thing he said was that

3751
02:22:50,710 --> 02:22:47,920
he looked into getting the roswell files

3752
02:22:52,230 --> 02:22:50,720
now remember i i covered when when

3753
02:22:54,309 --> 02:22:52,240
stephen schiff congressman stephen

3754
02:22:56,550 --> 02:22:54,319
schiff was trying to get access to the

3755
02:22:58,230 --> 02:22:56,560
roswell files i think the gao office

3756
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:58,240
general accounting office had basically

3757
02:23:02,070 --> 02:22:59,760
gotten back to him the air force that

3758
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:02,080
those files were just gone there was

3759
02:23:07,110 --> 02:23:04,399
nothing there during that time

3760
02:23:09,270 --> 02:23:07,120
and so when mcpeak revealed to us on

3761
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:09,280
camera i might add that there were too

3762
02:23:12,790 --> 02:23:11,600
many files to for him to even bother

3763
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:12,800
going through there was just too much

3764
02:23:17,750 --> 02:23:14,479
stuff there was i think he said the word

3765
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:17,760
colossal or a giant amount of material

3766
02:23:22,309 --> 02:23:20,240
on roswell and he said he didn't go he

3767
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:22,319
never went through it

3768
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:25,280
next question uh i read that the new

3769
02:23:30,070 --> 02:23:28,080
mexico tech students who were well-known

3770
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:30,080
pranksters admitted to hoaxing the

3771
02:23:34,550 --> 02:23:33,280
eggcraft landing

3772
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:34,560
talking about this

3773
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:36,880
tackle that one okay go ahead i had i

3774
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:39,520
had actually heard the word get out that

3775
02:23:43,429 --> 02:23:40,800
the socorro

3776
02:23:46,230 --> 02:23:43,439
case had been explained as a hoax

3777
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:46,240
so i went online immediately and studied

3778
02:23:51,270 --> 02:23:48,640
everything that was being said about it

3779
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:51,280
it's the biggest bunch of nonsense ever

3780
02:23:55,190 --> 02:23:52,960
i mean they actually

3781
02:23:57,190 --> 02:23:55,200
you know were claiming that the little

3782
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:57,200
beings that were seen by the object in

3783
02:24:02,070 --> 02:23:59,280
socorro were midgets

3784
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:02,080
that had been hired by the pranksters to

3785
02:24:06,870 --> 02:24:04,640
run around beside a balloon that was

3786
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:06,880
sitting on the desert or something along

3787
02:24:11,429 --> 02:24:08,160
those lines

3788
02:24:14,630 --> 02:24:11,439
uh believe me the socorro case has never

3789
02:24:17,030 --> 02:24:14,640
been explained to this day and all of

3790
02:24:20,070 --> 02:24:17,040
the stories that came out that these uh

3791
02:24:22,550 --> 02:24:20,080
new mexico tech students had hoaxed it

3792
02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:22,560
in my personal opinion it's absolute

3793
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:25,200
nonsense it's garbage i could not agree

3794
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:27,280
with tracy moore on this one by the way

3795
02:24:32,870 --> 02:24:30,160
yeah well it's not a it's only a hoax

3796
02:24:34,790 --> 02:24:32,880
when somebody's been busted

3797
02:24:37,510 --> 02:24:34,800
you know what i mean yes but when you

3798
02:24:40,070 --> 02:24:37,520
looked into the machinations of this

3799
02:24:40,870 --> 02:24:40,080
supposed hoax and how it was supposedly

3800
02:24:43,110 --> 02:24:40,880
done

3801
02:24:45,349 --> 02:24:43,120
i remember reading it online and coming

3802
02:24:47,190 --> 02:24:45,359
away and thinking are they kidding is

3803
02:24:48,550 --> 02:24:47,200
this all they have because they don't

3804
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:48,560
have much of anything

3805
02:24:53,590 --> 02:24:51,760
um no it it it was not a hoax

3806
02:24:54,830 --> 02:24:53,600
how did they how did they say that they

3807
02:24:58,790 --> 02:24:54,840
hoaxed

3808
02:25:01,510 --> 02:24:58,800
it was a very convoluted uh and very

3809
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:01,520
vague kind of explanation

3810
02:25:05,590 --> 02:25:04,160
that a bunch of new mexico tech students

3811
02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:05,600
had

3812
02:25:12,550 --> 02:25:11,040
they knew that zamora was gullible they

3813
02:25:14,469 --> 02:25:12,560
knew he would fall forward and they

3814
02:25:15,429 --> 02:25:14,479
hired midgets to run around in white

3815
02:25:17,110 --> 02:25:15,439
suits

3816
02:25:19,990 --> 02:25:17,120
by the object and

3817
02:25:22,469 --> 02:25:20,000
other absolutely ridiculous things

3818
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:22,479
uh i was so disappointed because to be

3819
02:25:26,710 --> 02:25:24,560
honest with you when i first heard

3820
02:25:29,590 --> 02:25:26,720
there's an explanation for

3821
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:29,600
socorro i was fascinated i i couldn't

3822
02:25:34,870 --> 02:25:31,439
wait to see what it was

3823
02:25:36,870 --> 02:25:34,880
and i was so thoroughly unimpressed

3824
02:25:39,030 --> 02:25:36,880
by by what i read at least on the

3825
02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:39,040
internet that

3826
02:25:42,070 --> 02:25:41,040
i hope that nobody would fall for this

3827
02:25:43,830 --> 02:25:42,080
stuff

3828
02:25:47,510 --> 02:25:43,840
here's another question what do you

3829
02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:47,520
think about the burst of multiple alien

3830
02:25:52,630 --> 02:25:51,200
races coming out of the woodwork

3831
02:25:54,389 --> 02:25:52,640
and uh

3832
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:54,399
well i'll quickly jump on that maybe

3833
02:25:59,349 --> 02:25:56,640
james has something to say but

3834
02:26:00,870 --> 02:25:59,359
uh i think this is part of the great

3835
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:00,880
disinformation

3836
02:26:06,469 --> 02:26:03,200
that is involved with ufology

3837
02:26:09,030 --> 02:26:06,479
uh the idea that anybody knows who these

3838
02:26:11,750 --> 02:26:09,040
alien races are where they're coming

3839
02:26:14,870 --> 02:26:11,760
from they come from 12 different solar

3840
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:14,880
systems and from this galaxy or whatever

3841
02:26:20,389 --> 02:26:17,280
i think you can take it to the bank it's

3842
02:26:21,750 --> 02:26:20,399
disinformation it is not real

3843
02:26:28,389 --> 02:26:21,760
nobody knows

3844
02:26:30,550 --> 02:26:28,399
here and when you meet somebody who has

3845
02:26:31,990 --> 02:26:30,560
all the answers and

3846
02:26:35,190 --> 02:26:32,000
that's kind of getting back into my

3847
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:35,200
stephen greer category here i'm very

3848
02:26:39,349 --> 02:26:36,960
very skeptical of them i think they are

3849
02:26:41,670 --> 02:26:39,359
doing a real disservice to the subject

3850
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:41,680
okay i just got the coordinates answer

3851
02:26:45,190 --> 02:26:44,000
you do you want it sure that didn't take

3852
02:26:48,950 --> 02:26:45,200
long did it

3853
02:26:50,230 --> 02:26:48,960
no fort collins colorado

3854
02:26:51,510 --> 02:26:50,240
well that's something i've never heard

3855
02:26:55,030 --> 02:26:51,520
before i was always told it was new

3856
02:26:57,429 --> 02:26:55,040
mexico it's uh close to stage colorado

3857
02:26:59,349 --> 02:26:57,439
east of fort collins

3858
02:27:04,950 --> 02:26:59,359
just came interesting well hey that's

3859
02:27:08,309 --> 02:27:06,150
wyoming

3860
02:27:11,349 --> 02:27:08,319
but that is it fort collins isn't that

3861
02:27:13,670 --> 02:27:11,359
close to the air force academy

3862
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:13,680
yeah in colorado springs i know for

3863
02:27:18,309 --> 02:27:16,000
fort collins no fort collins is in

3864
02:27:19,510 --> 02:27:18,319
denver okay everybody's listening we're

3865
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:19,520
going to get the answers here in a

3866
02:27:24,710 --> 02:27:22,000
second they'll come flying in

3867
02:27:27,030 --> 02:27:24,720
all right uh james uh

3868
02:27:29,429 --> 02:27:27,040
i think we all want the answer to this

3869
02:27:31,590 --> 02:27:29,439
uh this is coming in from rick

3870
02:27:34,070 --> 02:27:31,600
he says please ask james what happened

3871
02:27:35,190 --> 02:27:34,080
to the show chasing ufos

3872
02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:35,200
um

3873
02:27:38,950 --> 02:27:37,280
he makes another comment here you know

3874
02:27:41,030 --> 02:27:38,960
what i'm just going to read it i i don't

3875
02:27:43,510 --> 02:27:41,040
want to edit i don't like to censor it

3876
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:43,520
struck me that the network was using his

3877
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:45,920
reputation combined with aaron ryder's

3878
02:27:49,670 --> 02:27:48,080
hot factor

3879
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:49,680
combined with her

3880
02:27:55,510 --> 02:27:52,800
being on destination truth to sell an

3881
02:27:57,990 --> 02:27:55,520
adventure show

3882
02:28:00,550 --> 02:27:58,000
and he says ps i follow him on facebook

3883
02:28:02,630 --> 02:28:00,560
please uh wish him congratulations on

3884
02:28:06,070 --> 02:28:02,640
his beautiful baby by the way those are

3885
02:28:08,150 --> 02:28:06,080
some of the greatest uh baby pictures uh

3886
02:28:08,950 --> 02:28:08,160
ever in the history of facebook uh well

3887
02:28:10,630 --> 02:28:08,960
done

3888
02:28:13,830 --> 02:28:10,640
yeah congratulations

3889
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:13,840
rebecca rebecca my fiance is a wonderful

3890
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:15,280
photographer she's the one rebecca

3891
02:28:19,830 --> 02:28:17,680
kaufman she's the one that uh designed

3892
02:28:21,590 --> 02:28:19,840
the website as well and so i'll

3893
02:28:23,110 --> 02:28:21,600
definitely pass that that information on

3894
02:28:24,830 --> 02:28:23,120
to her she'll be she'll be very very

3895
02:28:29,190 --> 02:28:24,840
happy to hear that

3896
02:28:30,469 --> 02:28:29,200
okay um i'm a dad i see i i see stuff

3897
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:30,479
like that i'm just like man i want to

3898
02:28:35,349 --> 02:28:32,960
have another kid you know

3899
02:28:37,510 --> 02:28:35,359
i really do or i see a puppy and it's

3900
02:28:39,270 --> 02:28:37,520
like okay we can add another one to the

3901
02:28:41,510 --> 02:28:39,280
house you know

3902
02:28:43,670 --> 02:28:41,520
i'm just like that i'm a softy okay so

3903
02:28:46,710 --> 02:28:43,680
what do you uh what happened to the show

3904
02:28:49,670 --> 02:28:46,720
and was it aaron ryder's hot factor

3905
02:28:51,670 --> 02:28:49,680
well well you know what ben and i both

3906
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:51,680
spoke out when the show was was

3907
02:28:55,190 --> 02:28:53,600
broadcast because what was initially

3908
02:28:56,870 --> 02:28:55,200
sold to us

3909
02:28:58,309 --> 02:28:56,880
the realization

3910
02:29:00,309 --> 02:28:58,319
what it actually

3911
02:29:03,030 --> 02:29:00,319
uh the end result was couldn't be

3912
02:29:04,550 --> 02:29:03,040
further from what the initial idea was

3913
02:29:07,030 --> 02:29:04,560
the concept that was sold to both ben

3914
02:29:08,550 --> 02:29:07,040
and i and we knew going into it that you

3915
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:08,560
know television is going to be dumbed

3916
02:29:11,349 --> 02:29:09,920
down and there's going to be an

3917
02:29:12,150 --> 02:29:11,359
entertainment factor and it's going to

3918
02:29:13,910 --> 02:29:12,160
be

3919
02:29:15,510 --> 02:29:13,920
catering to a younger audience and we

3920
02:29:18,070 --> 02:29:15,520
were okay with that but you know we

3921
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:18,080
thought you know 20 percent 15

3922
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:21,120
entertainment and 80 85

3923
02:29:24,550 --> 02:29:22,880
uh you know uh

3924
02:29:26,150 --> 02:29:24,560
information good solid information but

3925
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:26,160
it turned out to be exactly the opposite

3926
02:29:30,469 --> 02:29:29,040
so we spoke out against it and uh and

3927
02:29:32,070 --> 02:29:30,479
you know it was a learning experience i

3928
02:29:34,309 --> 02:29:32,080
got to make some great contacts i got a

3929
02:29:37,190 --> 02:29:34,319
trip got to do a lot of research on the

3930
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:37,200
on the virginia case all the on the uh

3931
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:39,359
expense of national geographic which was

3932
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:41,520
great and meet some interesting people

3933
02:29:45,830 --> 02:29:44,240
along the way and so i i i came out the

3934
02:29:47,910 --> 02:29:45,840
other end a better person but definitely

3935
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:47,920
my reputation took a hit no question

3936
02:29:51,270 --> 02:29:48,960
about it

3937
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:51,280
with uh did they

3938
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:53,040
you didn't pitch the network they

3939
02:29:56,550 --> 02:29:55,359
approached you about the show

3940
02:29:58,469 --> 02:29:56,560
yeah they said they wanted to do a very

3941
02:29:59,349 --> 02:29:58,479
hard-hitting scientific

3942
02:30:02,070 --> 02:29:59,359
uh

3943
02:30:03,590 --> 02:30:02,080
show on national geographic and you know

3944
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:03,600
millions of dollars thrown out you

3945
02:30:07,349 --> 02:30:05,200
travel around the world to do the stuff

3946
02:30:08,870 --> 02:30:07,359
you love doing it sounds great

3947
02:30:10,870 --> 02:30:08,880
but we realized when we got out of the

3948
02:30:13,030 --> 02:30:10,880
field they were far more far less

3949
02:30:15,190 --> 02:30:13,040
interested in any concrete the the

3950
02:30:16,710 --> 02:30:15,200
executives couldn't couldn't care less

3951
02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:16,720
whether ufos were real or not they were

3952
02:30:20,550 --> 02:30:18,160
only concerned with ratings they were

3953
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:20,560
only concerned about creating a a

3954
02:30:24,790 --> 02:30:22,960
reality tv show along the lines of

3955
02:30:26,790 --> 02:30:24,800
finding bigfoot so that's that's

3956
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:26,800
unfortunately what what ended up and the

3957
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:28,240
amount of money it was spent i mean they

3958
02:30:30,630 --> 02:30:29,600
must have spent four or five million

3959
02:30:33,110 --> 02:30:30,640
dollars

3960
02:30:34,630 --> 02:30:33,120
on on that season and i just remember

3961
02:30:38,309 --> 02:30:34,640
thinking boy what tracy and i could have

3962
02:30:42,630 --> 02:30:40,790
i got an idea for a series

3963
02:30:44,630 --> 02:30:42,640
yeah totally well let me ask you one

3964
02:30:47,270 --> 02:30:44,640
question about that um

3965
02:30:49,429 --> 02:30:47,280
uh well actually there's there's two

3966
02:30:51,830 --> 02:30:49,439
uh but there was one show i can't

3967
02:30:52,710 --> 02:30:51,840
remember where you guys were but

3968
02:30:57,990 --> 02:30:52,720
uh

3969
02:31:00,309 --> 02:30:58,000
captured and it was like a ring of

3970
02:31:01,990 --> 02:31:00,319
lights that just appeared for a second

3971
02:31:03,910 --> 02:31:02,000
and it looked like uh

3972
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:03,920
uh well it looked like a saucer with a

3973
02:31:08,550 --> 02:31:05,840
ring of lights that that lit up around

3974
02:31:11,510 --> 02:31:08,560
it what was that was the total that was

3975
02:31:13,349 --> 02:31:11,520
a total anomaly uh aaron really did

3976
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:13,359
capture that we don't know what it was

3977
02:31:15,990 --> 02:31:14,640
um that was one of the things that

3978
02:31:18,309 --> 02:31:16,000
bothered me about the show is that we

3979
02:31:19,990 --> 02:31:18,319
didn't we would say we do follow up uh

3980
02:31:22,710 --> 02:31:20,000
analysts work with the stuff that we'd

3981
02:31:24,710 --> 02:31:22,720
shot her analysis from landing sites the

3982
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:24,720
roswell you know we found bits of debris

3983
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:27,120
out at roswell with one of the

3984
02:31:31,110 --> 02:31:29,359
geologist uh frank kembler

3985
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:31,120
um i mean that guy is a serious

3986
02:31:35,429 --> 02:31:33,520
geologist i mean that guy's put in

3987
02:31:37,830 --> 02:31:35,439
you know days and days and days and days

3988
02:31:39,670 --> 02:31:37,840
and days sifting through

3989
02:31:40,630 --> 02:31:39,680
animal burrows and and

3990
02:31:43,590 --> 02:31:40,640
ant

3991
02:31:45,429 --> 02:31:43,600
hills and areas of runoff uh very

3992
02:31:47,590 --> 02:31:45,439
methodically to find look he said i

3993
02:31:49,270 --> 02:31:47,600
don't care how thorough the air force

3994
02:31:50,950 --> 02:31:49,280
was whatever crash chair there's going

3995
02:31:52,150 --> 02:31:50,960
to be residual stuff found and we

3996
02:31:53,830 --> 02:31:52,160
actually found some of that stuff when

3997
02:31:55,830 --> 02:31:53,840
we were out there with frank kimbler we

3998
02:31:57,750 --> 02:31:55,840
never even had the stuff analyzed the

3999
02:31:59,030 --> 02:31:57,760
footage that aaron rider had captured

4000
02:32:01,670 --> 02:31:59,040
that one that we didn't have analyzed i

4001
02:32:03,750 --> 02:32:01,680
mean we really were out there at night

4002
02:32:05,429 --> 02:32:03,760
uh with wild boars and all that crazy

4003
02:32:07,510 --> 02:32:05,439
stuff which was kind of silly actually

4004
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:07,520
but we really were out there and there

4005
02:32:10,710 --> 02:32:08,960
were a few times when they when they

4006
02:32:11,990 --> 02:32:10,720
when they come uh some really

4007
02:32:13,830 --> 02:32:12,000
interesting things on camera i remember

4008
02:32:15,910 --> 02:32:13,840
david west who's a

4009
02:32:17,990 --> 02:32:15,920
a wonderful brilliant photographer for

4010
02:32:20,070 --> 02:32:18,000
national geographic with this 20

4011
02:32:21,590 --> 02:32:20,080
thousand dollar lens

4012
02:32:22,710 --> 02:32:21,600
i mean maybe it was more than that i

4013
02:32:23,910 --> 02:32:22,720
mean i remember they had to get special

4014
02:32:25,510 --> 02:32:23,920
permission with national gear everything

4015
02:32:28,150 --> 02:32:25,520
was huge it took two people to carry the

4016
02:32:29,750 --> 02:32:28,160
thing and a special tripod but he caught

4017
02:32:31,349 --> 02:32:29,760
stuff on camera with that that we never

4018
02:32:33,030 --> 02:32:31,359
had analyzed either so

4019
02:32:34,150 --> 02:32:33,040
uh

4020
02:32:36,070 --> 02:32:34,160
hard to say

4021
02:32:38,870 --> 02:32:36,080
didn't you guys it's kind of frustrating

4022
02:32:40,550 --> 02:32:38,880
i i could be wrong but didn't you guys

4023
02:32:43,670 --> 02:32:40,560
find uh

4024
02:32:47,030 --> 02:32:43,680
like a a button or something from the

4025
02:32:50,150 --> 02:32:47,040
army what yes yes that was me that found

4026
02:32:51,830 --> 02:32:50,160
it and uh i i can't say this definitely

4027
02:32:54,950 --> 02:32:51,840
but i think someone from production

4028
02:32:56,309 --> 02:32:54,960
planted it there earlier in the day

4029
02:32:57,670 --> 02:32:56,319
no one has admitted that to me but

4030
02:33:00,070 --> 02:32:57,680
that's what i believe

4031
02:33:01,830 --> 02:33:00,080
um have you ever said that in public is

4032
02:33:03,830 --> 02:33:01,840
this are you saying this for the first

4033
02:33:06,150 --> 02:33:03,840
time i think so yeah okay send all

4034
02:33:10,309 --> 02:33:06,160
emails

4035
02:33:11,590 --> 02:33:10,319
yeah they did it really well i mean they

4036
02:33:13,349 --> 02:33:11,600
did it they must have done it earlier in

4037
02:33:15,510 --> 02:33:13,359
the day and there was like a permafrost

4038
02:33:16,790 --> 02:33:15,520
almost like frozen over so when i broke

4039
02:33:18,870 --> 02:33:16,800
through the ice and something picked up

4040
02:33:20,150 --> 02:33:18,880
on the metal detector it actually broke

4041
02:33:21,670 --> 02:33:20,160
through and i had one of the cameramen

4042
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:21,680
right there with me while i did it i

4043
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:24,240
remember seeing it were you guided were

4044
02:33:29,270 --> 02:33:26,800
you guided to it in a weird way

4045
02:33:30,550 --> 02:33:29,280
we were in the area and they were that's

4046
02:33:33,510 --> 02:33:30,560
what caught my

4047
02:33:35,270 --> 02:33:33,520
later on a the button was from 48 i did

4048
02:33:37,270 --> 02:33:35,280
i personally looked into it the button

4049
02:33:39,590 --> 02:33:37,280
was for a year later which that was kind

4050
02:33:41,990 --> 02:33:39,600
of a killer to me right

4051
02:33:44,550 --> 02:33:42,000
um you know we were kind of lured to

4052
02:33:46,790 --> 02:33:44,560
this general area and that's when my my

4053
02:33:48,309 --> 02:33:46,800
my thing went off and uh it was very

4054
02:33:50,630 --> 02:33:48,319
exciting now i was absolutely convinced

4055
02:33:52,389 --> 02:33:50,640
that i'd found it legitimately you know

4056
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:52,399
i did find it legitimately

4057
02:33:55,910 --> 02:33:54,160
i i later

4058
02:33:57,750 --> 02:33:55,920
came to think that it was possibly uh

4059
02:33:59,590 --> 02:33:57,760
planted there but i never nobody ever

4060
02:34:00,389 --> 02:33:59,600
made it to me i just suspected that it

4061
02:34:02,230 --> 02:34:00,399
was

4062
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:02,240
man you were messed with on that show

4063
02:34:05,830 --> 02:34:04,560
yeah i really was yeah unfortunately but

4064
02:34:09,030 --> 02:34:05,840
you know live and learn is what i can

4065
02:34:11,510 --> 02:34:09,040
say and why why wasn't it when they dump

4066
02:34:13,349 --> 02:34:11,520
all of that movie into one our money

4067
02:34:17,830 --> 02:34:13,359
movie when they dump all of that money

4068
02:34:19,429 --> 02:34:17,840
into one serie uh one season why why

4069
02:34:20,870 --> 02:34:19,439
why not continue

4070
02:34:22,950 --> 02:34:20,880
i mean well you know it's really funny

4071
02:34:24,230 --> 02:34:22,960
because we we spoke out against it got

4072
02:34:26,389 --> 02:34:24,240
published uh

4073
02:34:29,510 --> 02:34:26,399
in the huffington post

4074
02:34:30,630 --> 02:34:29,520
and um the execs were furious i remember

4075
02:34:32,790 --> 02:34:30,640
them calling

4076
02:34:35,190 --> 02:34:32,800
the production company which i'll leave

4077
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:35,200
their name out and then the production

4078
02:34:38,309 --> 02:34:36,720
company followed up with a call with me

4079
02:34:40,309 --> 02:34:38,319
and he was screaming at me down the

4080
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:40,319
phone line and i said to him i'll never

4081
02:34:44,150 --> 02:34:42,080
forget i was driving down sunset

4082
02:34:45,990 --> 02:34:44,160
boulevard with my dear friend jeff i had

4083
02:34:47,990 --> 02:34:46,000
it on speakerphone and jeff's like

4084
02:34:50,070 --> 02:34:48,000
cringing in the passenger seat and then

4085
02:34:51,349 --> 02:34:50,080
i said okay are you done now now let me

4086
02:34:53,349 --> 02:34:51,359
tell you while i'm angry and i went

4087
02:34:56,230 --> 02:34:53,359
through a whole slew of things that

4088
02:34:58,150 --> 02:34:56,240
really pissed me off about the show

4089
02:34:59,510 --> 02:34:58,160
and don't think i ever really spoke to

4090
02:35:01,429 --> 02:34:59,520
him again

4091
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:01,439
and then um and then i remember when

4092
02:35:06,070 --> 02:35:03,120
national geographic wanted to do some

4093
02:35:07,910 --> 02:35:06,080
damage control ben refused who's the

4094
02:35:09,510 --> 02:35:07,920
scientist on there he refused and he

4095
02:35:12,389 --> 02:35:09,520
said to be quite honest with the exec i

4096
02:35:13,510 --> 02:35:12,399
don't think i'm coming back

4097
02:35:15,270 --> 02:35:13,520
wow

4098
02:35:17,670 --> 02:35:15,280
yeah it was pretty

4099
02:35:19,830 --> 02:35:17,680
when you do something like that james

4100
02:35:21,510 --> 02:35:19,840
and i'm sure tracy's got to comment on

4101
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:21,520
this too as well but when

4102
02:35:27,270 --> 02:35:24,160
when you close a door like that is it is

4103
02:35:29,349 --> 02:35:27,280
it permanently closed with television uh

4104
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:29,359
well i mean i'm pretty sure

4105
02:35:34,150 --> 02:35:31,040
that you know anyone who speaks out on

4106
02:35:36,950 --> 02:35:34,160
their own show against it is harshly as

4107
02:35:39,190 --> 02:35:36,960
we did it's definitely you know but i

4108
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:39,200
mean to be honest with you

4109
02:35:42,710 --> 02:35:41,280
if i ever did another tv show it would

4110
02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:42,720
be under my terms

4111
02:35:46,150 --> 02:35:44,800
otherwise it's just not working

4112
02:35:48,790 --> 02:35:46,160
it's not worth it

4113
02:35:52,950 --> 02:35:48,800
what about uh uh one last question about

4114
02:35:54,550 --> 02:35:52,960
uh chasing ufos uh aside from the one uh

4115
02:35:56,790 --> 02:35:54,560
object that i was talking about that

4116
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:56,800
aaron shot which was pretty incredible i

4117
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:59,439
gotta i gotta admit that that that piece

4118
02:36:02,950 --> 02:36:00,960
of video that was really that was pretty

4119
02:36:04,469 --> 02:36:02,960
impressive that was pretty impressive

4120
02:36:05,510 --> 02:36:04,479
i was i was impressed that night in the

4121
02:36:07,670 --> 02:36:05,520
field

4122
02:36:10,230 --> 02:36:07,680
did you guys shoot anything else either

4123
02:36:11,910 --> 02:36:10,240
that didn't get on camera or did was

4124
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:11,920
there anything else that you walk away

4125
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:14,399
from uh going man that that was really

4126
02:36:19,190 --> 02:36:17,120
cool um you know we went out to the

4127
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:19,200
travis walton site and one of the things

4128
02:36:22,790 --> 02:36:20,720
tracy did you ever go to i'm sure you

4129
02:36:25,030 --> 02:36:22,800
did tracy you went out to the site right

4130
02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:25,040
oh absolutely yeah yeah i couldn't

4131
02:36:27,750 --> 02:36:26,160
believe we went out there in the dead of

4132
02:36:29,830 --> 02:36:27,760
winter i couldn't believe how remote

4133
02:36:31,510 --> 02:36:29,840
that was even like yeah it really is

4134
02:36:33,349 --> 02:36:31,520
yeah middle of nowhere middle of nowhere

4135
02:36:34,950 --> 02:36:33,359
middle of nowhere and one of the one of

4136
02:36:36,550 --> 02:36:34,960
the things that really upset me was that

4137
02:36:38,469 --> 02:36:36,560
national geographic made a promise

4138
02:36:40,150 --> 02:36:38,479
production company to travis walton that

4139
02:36:43,270 --> 02:36:40,160
if he was going to participate

4140
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:43,280
in in this particular episode

4141
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:45,040
travis in return wanted to

4142
02:36:49,670 --> 02:36:47,359
he wanted to find out at the epicenter

4143
02:36:51,670 --> 02:36:49,680
of where he saw this craft

4144
02:36:53,110 --> 02:36:51,680
there was this anomalous tree growth

4145
02:36:56,070 --> 02:36:53,120
rings

4146
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:56,080
in the area so he wanted to take a base

4147
02:37:00,070 --> 02:36:56,960
line

4148
02:37:02,150 --> 02:37:00,080
study and then find as the ring as sorry

4149
02:37:04,070 --> 02:37:02,160
as the trees got further and further

4150
02:37:06,389 --> 02:37:04,080
away from the epicenter the same type of

4151
02:37:08,309 --> 02:37:06,399
tree with the same water

4152
02:37:10,790 --> 02:37:08,319
same soil that sort of thing

4153
02:37:11,510 --> 02:37:10,800
if that anomalous tree growth would

4154
02:37:15,110 --> 02:37:11,520
be

4155
02:37:17,030 --> 02:37:15,120
consistent in the immediate area and and

4156
02:37:19,270 --> 02:37:17,040
you can clearly see the rings right at

4157
02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:19,280
the time of the sighting just they go

4158
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:20,240
from

4159
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:21,120
you know

4160
02:37:23,590 --> 02:37:22,080
the

4161
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:23,600
30 times

4162
02:37:27,670 --> 02:37:25,280
accelerated tree growth and then it

4163
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:27,680
after 10 years it slows back down again

4164
02:37:32,070 --> 02:37:29,680
and he wanted to have some analysis work

4165
02:37:33,349 --> 02:37:32,080
done and get rid of that what what was

4166
02:37:34,790 --> 02:37:33,359
it caused by

4167
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:34,800
and that was one thing that we made a

4168
02:37:38,630 --> 02:37:36,640
promise to him we never did

4169
02:37:39,590 --> 02:37:38,640
but um that was very frustrating but

4170
02:37:41,670 --> 02:37:39,600
there was

4171
02:37:43,750 --> 02:37:41,680
as i was telling you earlier

4172
02:37:46,469 --> 02:37:43,760
david west who's an incredible

4173
02:37:48,630 --> 02:37:46,479
photographer for a cinematographer who

4174
02:37:51,590 --> 02:37:48,640
got some really cool i mean really cool

4175
02:37:54,389 --> 02:37:51,600
high-res stable shots of anomalous

4176
02:37:57,429 --> 02:37:54,399
things in the sky with this incredible

4177
02:37:59,990 --> 02:37:57,439
uh powerful telescope telescopic

4178
02:38:02,150 --> 02:38:00,000
lens and a really high-end camera and

4179
02:38:04,550 --> 02:38:02,160
nothing was ever done with it

4180
02:38:05,590 --> 02:38:04,560
unbelievable oh hey tracy tracy just

4181
02:38:08,630 --> 02:38:05,600
came in

4182
02:38:12,830 --> 02:38:08,640
just double check the gps coordinates

4183
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:12,840
yes it is east of fort collins

4184
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:15,280
colorado well you would think in the

4185
02:38:18,389 --> 02:38:17,359
movie because it's such a key moment in

4186
02:38:20,630 --> 02:38:18,399
the movie

4187
02:38:21,590 --> 02:38:20,640
where they actually do some detective

4188
02:38:24,389 --> 02:38:21,600
work

4189
02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:24,399
and find out what those numbers mean and

4190
02:38:28,550 --> 02:38:26,560
somebody says i'm a map maker it's

4191
02:38:31,349 --> 02:38:28,560
longitude and latitude right how could

4192
02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:33,590
i mean how in the world let's say that

4193
02:38:37,590 --> 02:38:35,840
it's fort collins colorado

4194
02:38:39,349 --> 02:38:37,600
or that it's new mexico which is what i

4195
02:38:41,510 --> 02:38:39,359
was always told in the past

4196
02:38:43,190 --> 02:38:41,520
i mean that's that's not even very close

4197
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:43,200
to wyoming

4198
02:38:48,070 --> 02:38:45,920
nancy nancy burns just tweeted i got to

4199
02:38:49,110 --> 02:38:48,080
read this out to you guys she says

4200
02:38:51,349 --> 02:38:49,120
uh

4201
02:38:54,070 --> 02:38:51,359
nancy's the best she said did you hear

4202
02:38:57,510 --> 02:38:54,080
how teeter john teeter used the phrase

4203
02:39:01,270 --> 02:38:57,520
fade to black i think jimmy is john

4204
02:39:05,750 --> 02:39:04,790
nancy and bill burns those two stir so

4205
02:39:07,990 --> 02:39:05,760
many

4206
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:08,000
always causing trouble

4207
02:39:12,870 --> 02:39:10,399
the both of them okay one last question

4208
02:39:14,070 --> 02:39:12,880
and and by the way thank you both

4209
02:39:16,150 --> 02:39:14,080
uh

4210
02:39:18,150 --> 02:39:16,160
we have just scratched the surface

4211
02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:18,160
tonight and and i can't wait to get you

4212
02:39:20,950 --> 02:39:19,920
uh both back on and we'll do that very

4213
02:39:25,030 --> 02:39:20,960
soon but

4214
02:39:29,190 --> 02:39:25,040
uh going back to uh mcpeak

4215
02:39:31,030 --> 02:39:29,200
is that interview in the movie

4216
02:39:33,830 --> 02:39:31,040
yes we have an interview with the peak

4217
02:39:36,389 --> 02:39:33,840
in in in the movie although we haven't

4218
02:39:39,270 --> 02:39:36,399
done a final edit yet of course

4219
02:39:41,590 --> 02:39:39,280
but we certainly do have a about a i

4220
02:39:43,349 --> 02:39:41,600
would say a 45 minute interview with

4221
02:39:45,750 --> 02:39:43,359
general mcpeak

4222
02:39:46,630 --> 02:39:45,760
unbelievable unbelievable what do you

4223
02:39:49,510 --> 02:39:46,640
guys think

4224
02:39:51,190 --> 02:39:49,520
he's not a pro ufo guy but he did say

4225
02:39:52,630 --> 02:39:51,200
some things that james especially

4226
02:39:54,710 --> 02:39:52,640
pointed out

4227
02:39:57,429 --> 02:39:54,720
that were you know intriguing

4228
02:39:59,510 --> 02:39:57,439
well i i say this and i and i really

4229
02:40:02,230 --> 02:39:59,520
mean this

4230
02:40:04,790 --> 02:40:02,240
nobody nobody from the military nobody

4231
02:40:08,870 --> 02:40:04,800
from washington dc nobody at all ever

4232
02:40:10,630 --> 02:40:08,880
will be pro ufo they can't

4233
02:40:12,790 --> 02:40:10,640
they just can't they can't they can't

4234
02:40:15,830 --> 02:40:12,800
they won't and i understand that if

4235
02:40:18,469 --> 02:40:15,840
anybody does come out as pro ufo well

4236
02:40:21,110 --> 02:40:18,479
that's uh there's reasons for it

4237
02:40:22,950 --> 02:40:21,120
now but now what that's public

4238
02:40:25,590 --> 02:40:22,960
okay that's public

4239
02:40:26,469 --> 02:40:25,600
i've had so many people talk about in

4240
02:40:31,670 --> 02:40:26,479
in

4241
02:40:33,510 --> 02:40:31,680
malibu base now this is my own personal

4242
02:40:35,910 --> 02:40:33,520
experience or they're telling me

4243
02:40:38,710 --> 02:40:35,920
directly hey look man

4244
02:40:40,870 --> 02:40:38,720
nobody nobody is going to tell you that

4245
02:40:43,349 --> 02:40:40,880
that's e.t nobody's going to tell you

4246
02:40:44,950 --> 02:40:43,359
that that's a submarine base that's used

4247
02:40:47,510 --> 02:40:44,960
by the navy nobody's going to come out

4248
02:40:49,270 --> 02:40:47,520
and tell you that they can't now what i

4249
02:40:51,590 --> 02:40:49,280
think about privately

4250
02:40:53,990 --> 02:40:51,600
that's something else totally but nobody

4251
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:54,000
what what do you expect jimmy

4252
02:40:57,030 --> 02:40:55,840
what do you honestly expect and that's

4253
02:40:58,950 --> 02:40:57,040
the truth

4254
02:41:00,950 --> 02:40:58,960
we can't expect anybody in the military

4255
02:41:03,190 --> 02:41:00,960
we just can't now what they're going to

4256
02:41:05,270 --> 02:41:03,200
tell you off the record or how they

4257
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:05,280
really what they really what they really

4258
02:41:08,950 --> 02:41:07,120
believe or what they've really wouldn't

4259
02:41:11,110 --> 02:41:08,960
that's totally something different but

4260
02:41:13,990 --> 02:41:11,120
as far as going out there in the public

4261
02:41:16,070 --> 02:41:14,000
sense no and we can't expect anything

4262
02:41:18,150 --> 02:41:16,080
different hopefully it's going to change

4263
02:41:19,590 --> 02:41:18,160
but what you know honestly what do we

4264
02:41:21,110 --> 02:41:19,600
expect

4265
02:41:23,110 --> 02:41:21,120
very true

4266
02:41:24,790 --> 02:41:23,120
thank you guys thank you both we've got

4267
02:41:26,790 --> 02:41:24,800
a lot of continuing yeah thank you we've

4268
02:41:29,190 --> 02:41:26,800
got a lot of talking that we do have to

4269
02:41:30,550 --> 02:41:29,200
do off of the air and i will follow up

4270
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:30,560
with both of you

4271
02:41:34,230 --> 02:41:32,160
uh over the next couple of days all

4272
02:41:36,630 --> 02:41:34,240
right thanks very much thank you so much

4273
02:41:39,750 --> 02:41:36,640
for having us on absolutely james you

4274
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:39,760
know much respect tracy much respect and

4275
02:41:45,030 --> 02:41:41,920
also we'll talk about this nick menza

4276
02:41:47,349 --> 02:41:45,040
thing and uh that is a week from

4277
02:41:49,030 --> 02:41:47,359
yesterday it will be this tuesday so

4278
02:41:51,030 --> 02:41:49,040
we'll talk about all of that tomorrow

4279
02:41:53,429 --> 02:41:51,040
you guys have a great safe night thank

4280
02:41:56,710 --> 02:41:53,439
you very much thank you all the best

4281
02:42:00,710 --> 02:41:56,720
pleasure is all ours thank you guys

4282
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:02,870
i've got time for you know what i'm

4283
02:42:07,590 --> 02:42:05,439
gonna say this out loud listen i'm gonna

4284
02:42:09,590 --> 02:42:07,600
say this out loud

4285
02:42:12,070 --> 02:42:09,600
okay dino

4286
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:12,080
call in right now dino i've been

4287
02:42:16,309 --> 02:42:14,640
watching you call all night there was a

4288
02:42:18,389 --> 02:42:16,319
bunch of calls lined up we don't have

4289
02:42:19,270 --> 02:42:18,399
any time i've got five minutes

4290
02:42:21,510 --> 02:42:19,280
so

4291
02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:21,520
dino call in and i know it was probably

4292
02:42:24,389 --> 02:42:23,200
a question for those guys but we had all

4293
02:42:26,309 --> 02:42:24,399
the lines

4294
02:42:28,550 --> 02:42:26,319
uh tied up here and i and i couldn't

4295
02:42:29,349 --> 02:42:28,560
take anything so anyway

4296
02:42:31,270 --> 02:42:29,359
uh

4297
02:42:33,190 --> 02:42:31,280
thank you and that's what i'm talking

4298
02:42:34,070 --> 02:42:33,200
about what um

4299
02:42:36,870 --> 02:42:34,080
uh

4300
02:42:39,670 --> 02:42:36,880
i know you guys are jealous it was me

4301
02:42:41,750 --> 02:42:39,680
but again the interview would have been

4302
02:42:43,270 --> 02:42:41,760
that with anybody sitting here at this

4303
02:42:45,510 --> 02:42:43,280
microphone those are

4304
02:42:47,429 --> 02:42:45,520
those are two of my favorites

4305
02:42:49,429 --> 02:42:47,439
jacques fillet

4306
02:42:52,550 --> 02:42:49,439
that's what i'm talking about

4307
02:42:54,790 --> 02:42:52,560
i'm gonna take a quick break

4308
02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:54,800
oh let me uh let me flip some switches

4309
02:42:58,230 --> 02:42:57,120
here oh here's dino all right let's get

4310
02:43:00,630 --> 02:42:58,240
dino in

4311
02:43:03,349 --> 02:43:00,640
it's uh we'll we'll make dino the closer

4312
02:43:05,349 --> 02:43:03,359
tonight dino how are you tonight sir

4313
02:43:07,830 --> 02:43:05,359
i'm much better thank you i i wanted to

4314
02:43:11,110 --> 02:43:07,840
ask them you know we're a family here of

4315
02:43:13,110 --> 02:43:11,120
people that are skeptical of the truth

4316
02:43:15,190 --> 02:43:13,120
and and i it's too bad you knocked them

4317
02:43:16,870 --> 02:43:15,200
off because when i talked to travis

4318
02:43:18,950 --> 02:43:16,880
walton years ago

4319
02:43:21,349 --> 02:43:18,960
he mentioned that that movie would fire

4320
02:43:23,110 --> 02:43:21,359
in the sky was just hollywood right yeah

4321
02:43:24,710 --> 02:43:23,120
he said the same thing on this show too

4322
02:43:26,469 --> 02:43:24,720
do you know you remember

4323
02:43:28,150 --> 02:43:26,479
he did so i'm not i wasn't trying to

4324
02:43:29,990 --> 02:43:28,160
start a fight but what i wanted to tell

4325
02:43:31,830 --> 02:43:30,000
tracy and james is

4326
02:43:34,230 --> 02:43:31,840
our community our family here would like

4327
02:43:37,429 --> 02:43:34,240
to support this and it doesn't matter

4328
02:43:38,550 --> 02:43:37,439
that 85 percent uh you know of cases or

4329
02:43:40,630 --> 02:43:38,560
90

4330
02:43:43,349 --> 02:43:40,640
might be phony if they believe that i

4331
02:43:45,590 --> 02:43:43,359
mean uh colin andrews said that about

4332
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:45,600
crop circles years ago right the point

4333
02:43:48,469 --> 02:43:46,399
is

4334
02:43:50,309 --> 02:43:48,479
i personally and maybe a lot of our

4335
02:43:52,790 --> 02:43:50,319
listeners i don't want to see another

4336
02:43:54,550 --> 02:43:52,800
blair witch project and i don't want to

4337
02:43:56,469 --> 02:43:54,560
hear like travis told me that they

4338
02:43:58,550 --> 02:43:56,479
didn't probe him with needles and all

4339
02:44:01,190 --> 02:43:58,560
and the aliens didn't look like that i

4340
02:44:03,510 --> 02:44:01,200
don't want them to go over hollywood on

4341
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:03,520
this and try to make it to dumb it down

4342
02:44:08,950 --> 02:44:05,840
as one of our tweeters said

4343
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:08,960
and i just hope and i fully understand

4344
02:44:13,030 --> 02:44:11,120
how hard it is to make a living in

4345
02:44:15,750 --> 02:44:13,040
hollywood and how important it is to

4346
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:15,760
make a profit on your film but i hope

4347
02:44:19,269 --> 02:44:18,160
they keep their integrity and and keep

4348
02:44:22,710 --> 02:44:19,279
it less

4349
02:44:25,429 --> 02:44:22,720
of a drama or a blair witch type of show

4350
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:25,439
and more of a documentary well have you

4351
02:44:29,910 --> 02:44:27,279
seen the

4352
02:44:31,670 --> 02:44:29,920
the the the clips that they published

4353
02:44:34,070 --> 02:44:31,680
online did you go over to

4354
02:44:35,830 --> 02:44:34,080
701themovie.com

4355
02:44:37,830 --> 02:44:35,840
yes i was able to look at one of them

4356
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:37,840
and i i liked what i saw i think the one

4357
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:40,560
with the kids and and uh

4358
02:44:45,269 --> 02:44:42,240
i agree that it reminds me of the

4359
02:44:47,510 --> 02:44:45,279
australian affair totally

4360
02:44:49,670 --> 02:44:47,520
and so i just hope that they just i just

4361
02:44:51,910 --> 02:44:49,680
hate seeing these movies come out and

4362
02:44:54,070 --> 02:44:51,920
then people that i talk to that i'm

4363
02:44:56,309 --> 02:44:54,080
trying to convince or to get into

4364
02:44:58,630 --> 02:44:56,319
researching this subject if you dumb it

4365
02:45:00,630 --> 02:44:58,640
down or you do something dumb on a film

4366
02:45:02,790 --> 02:45:00,640
people go oh and then they relate to it

4367
02:45:05,110 --> 02:45:02,800
for 20 years oh that's like that dumb

4368
02:45:08,469 --> 02:45:05,120
film for gilbert

4369
02:45:10,550 --> 02:45:08,479
yeah yeah i hear you the thing is and i

4370
02:45:14,150 --> 02:45:10,560
think i think you can tell

4371
02:45:16,790 --> 02:45:14,160
i think everybody could tell uh that uh

4372
02:45:18,790 --> 02:45:16,800
we know a lot about james fox and he has

4373
02:45:20,070 --> 02:45:18,800
done some of the best documentaries out

4374
02:45:21,910 --> 02:45:20,080
there i'm not saying it because he was a

4375
02:45:23,830 --> 02:45:21,920
guest on the show i would recommend

4376
02:45:25,190 --> 02:45:23,840
anybody to see out of the blue i think

4377
02:45:27,830 --> 02:45:25,200
out of the blue is

4378
02:45:29,830 --> 02:45:27,840
is one of the films that that everybody

4379
02:45:32,950 --> 02:45:29,840
should just go and just check out

4380
02:45:35,590 --> 02:45:32,960
it's really really really well done

4381
02:45:38,950 --> 02:45:35,600
but um but james takes it very serious

4382
02:45:41,190 --> 02:45:38,960
but tracy tracy comes from a completely

4383
02:45:43,510 --> 02:45:41,200
different background yeah you can throw

4384
02:45:45,990 --> 02:45:43,520
fire in the sky in there i get that and

4385
02:45:47,830 --> 02:45:46,000
you can see the connection but tracy

4386
02:45:50,469 --> 02:45:47,840
really really

4387
02:45:51,990 --> 02:45:50,479
believes in the message and you can hear

4388
02:45:54,630 --> 02:45:52,000
that with the way that he's speaking

4389
02:45:56,950 --> 02:45:54,640
tonight he is he comes from a background

4390
02:45:59,190 --> 02:45:56,960
of knowledge when it comes to ufology he

4391
02:46:01,830 --> 02:45:59,200
really knows what he's talking about and

4392
02:46:02,710 --> 02:46:01,840
for him to turn around and expose james

4393
02:46:05,750 --> 02:46:02,720
to

4394
02:46:07,510 --> 02:46:05,760
a couple of different cases that that he

4395
02:46:09,510 --> 02:46:07,520
wanted in the movie and james said you

4396
02:46:11,110 --> 02:46:09,520
know you have to step back and respect

4397
02:46:12,950 --> 02:46:11,120
tracy for

4398
02:46:15,110 --> 02:46:12,960
for his knowledge and i think he really

4399
02:46:17,349 --> 02:46:15,120
cares about what's going on when you

4400
02:46:20,389 --> 02:46:17,359
look at the way that they've uh

4401
02:46:22,710 --> 02:46:20,399
put 701 together look at those four

4402
02:46:24,550 --> 02:46:22,720
four clips that they have on the website

4403
02:46:26,950 --> 02:46:24,560
then you can see they have definitely

4404
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:26,960
they did not gloss over on this

4405
02:46:31,910 --> 02:46:29,760
to to chase down and to get together

4406
02:46:34,469 --> 02:46:31,920
what they have and with this witness

4407
02:46:37,190 --> 02:46:34,479
testimony is astounding and this isn't

4408
02:46:40,150 --> 02:46:37,200
the same old stuff

4409
02:46:42,630 --> 02:46:40,160
you know regurgitated reheated and

4410
02:46:45,190 --> 02:46:42,640
microwaved and then sent back to us

4411
02:46:46,710 --> 02:46:45,200
that's not what's going on in 701 i

4412
02:46:49,030 --> 02:46:46,720
think it's wrong i hope that i can

4413
02:46:50,710 --> 02:46:49,040
support that movie with my dollar and i

4414
02:46:52,710 --> 02:46:50,720
hope they can get you dan aykroyd and

4415
02:46:54,150 --> 02:46:52,720
this jacques filet guy i've been looking

4416
02:46:56,870 --> 02:46:54,160
for him too

4417
02:46:58,150 --> 02:46:56,880
get get him on the show

4418
02:47:01,510 --> 02:46:58,160
um

4419
02:47:04,150 --> 02:47:01,520
i'm looking at uh ken's uh

4420
02:47:06,630 --> 02:47:04,160
ken lipson just tweeted about what the

4421
02:47:08,630 --> 02:47:06,640
bleep was half fiction remember what the

4422
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:08,640
bleep do we know uh you know that was

4423
02:47:12,790 --> 02:47:10,960
half fiction half documentary and it was

4424
02:47:14,230 --> 02:47:12,800
uh put together pretty well i think you

4425
02:47:17,670 --> 02:47:14,240
can do it

4426
02:47:19,269 --> 02:47:17,680
i i don't i think the approach of it

4427
02:47:21,269 --> 02:47:19,279
look this is the thing

4428
02:47:25,990 --> 02:47:21,279
hardcore documentaries whatever it's

4429
02:47:28,309 --> 02:47:26,000
about whether it's music or it's uh

4430
02:47:30,790 --> 02:47:28,319
fracking for natural gas whatever the

4431
02:47:33,349 --> 02:47:30,800
documentary is water

4432
02:47:36,389 --> 02:47:33,359
is you have to be

4433
02:47:39,190 --> 02:47:36,399
interested in that subject to get uh you

4434
02:47:40,790 --> 02:47:39,200
know knee deep into a documentary but

4435
02:47:43,990 --> 02:47:40,800
their approach

4436
02:47:46,950 --> 02:47:44,000
is to get this to the masses you know to

4437
02:47:49,349 --> 02:47:46,960
get it out there to to to have wide

4438
02:47:51,830 --> 02:47:49,359
distribution on the film and the only

4439
02:47:53,190 --> 02:47:51,840
way to do that is to approach it like

4440
02:47:57,030 --> 02:47:53,200
this where

4441
02:47:59,190 --> 02:47:57,040
you've got uh real cases real interviews

4442
02:48:01,510 --> 02:47:59,200
real eyewitness testimony

4443
02:48:04,389 --> 02:48:01,520
and and blend that in with the story

4444
02:48:06,710 --> 02:48:04,399
that uh is interesting for everybody

4445
02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:06,720
else and and to spend a little bit of

4446
02:48:12,710 --> 02:48:09,680
hollywood into it so it gets the mass uh

4447
02:48:14,230 --> 02:48:12,720
distribution also dvd and

4448
02:48:15,429 --> 02:48:14,240
netflix and everything else that you

4449
02:48:18,469 --> 02:48:15,439
have to look at

4450
02:48:21,030 --> 02:48:18,479
so yeah it makes sense to me i i really

4451
02:48:24,150 --> 02:48:21,040
really think it's amazing uh that that

4452
02:48:26,790 --> 02:48:24,160
zimbabwe case uh and and also virginia

4453
02:48:27,670 --> 02:48:26,800
too as well virginia is a case in brazil

4454
02:48:30,469 --> 02:48:27,680
that

4455
02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:30,479
uh we know a little bit more about

4456
02:48:34,710 --> 02:48:33,200
but uh the zimbabwe case is something

4457
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:34,720
that i think is going to freak a lot of

4458
02:48:39,590 --> 02:48:37,040
people out and that is really well

4459
02:48:41,750 --> 02:48:39,600
documented thank goodness mac went down

4460
02:48:44,469 --> 02:48:41,760
there and and captured what he captured

4461
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:44,479
and got everybody's names and and it was

4462
02:48:49,110 --> 02:48:46,800
preserved like i said during the the

4463
02:48:50,950 --> 02:48:49,120
show tonight just imagine if mac didn't

4464
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:50,960
do that

4465
02:48:55,349 --> 02:48:53,200
wow well we would have just a good thing

4466
02:48:57,590 --> 02:48:55,359
yeah a good thing and i just hope that

4467
02:48:59,590 --> 02:48:57,600
would be really an interesting thing if

4468
02:49:01,910 --> 02:48:59,600
the movie came out and then we got the

4469
02:49:04,309 --> 02:49:01,920
truth about the malibu uh underwater

4470
02:49:06,870 --> 02:49:04,319
anomaly there all the same time maybe we

4471
02:49:09,110 --> 02:49:06,880
would have some disclosure

4472
02:49:11,750 --> 02:49:09,120
yeah i wonder if we're too late for that

4473
02:49:13,510 --> 02:49:11,760
i'll talk to those guys tomorrow that's

4474
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:13,520
a that's a fascinating point i didn't

4475
02:49:17,349 --> 02:49:16,160
even think about that are we too late i

4476
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:17,359
don't know i don't know if there's

4477
02:49:21,910 --> 02:49:19,760
enough there yet for them to uh

4478
02:49:23,990 --> 02:49:21,920
uh to put their teeth into

4479
02:49:26,070 --> 02:49:24,000
uh as far as anything but i don't know

4480
02:49:28,469 --> 02:49:26,080
maybe there is get a boat out there with

4481
02:49:30,150 --> 02:49:28,479
those guys in time to make the final cut

4482
02:49:31,750 --> 02:49:30,160
of the movie oh that's interesting they

4483
02:49:33,190 --> 02:49:31,760
have connections they have connections

4484
02:49:35,830 --> 02:49:33,200
but again i'm glad you're keeping it

4485
02:49:37,830 --> 02:49:35,840
more close to the vest we all wait with

4486
02:49:40,230 --> 02:49:37,840
anticipation to find out what you

4487
02:49:41,670 --> 02:49:40,240
discover there and then just blast it

4488
02:49:43,750 --> 02:49:41,680
everywhere and we'll help you all the

4489
02:49:45,349 --> 02:49:43,760
family here will get it out across the

4490
02:49:46,950 --> 02:49:45,359
country in the world you know it's kind

4491
02:49:48,790 --> 02:49:46,960
of fun though when you think about that

4492
02:49:51,190 --> 02:49:48,800
in those terms dino

4493
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:51,200
you know this is just a family and we've

4494
02:49:55,750 --> 02:49:52,960
we've all gone through this together

4495
02:49:58,070 --> 02:49:55,760
well it's a rather large family now but

4496
02:50:01,750 --> 02:49:58,080
but we've all gone through this together

4497
02:50:04,870 --> 02:50:01,760
uh it started back in may and we've you

4498
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:04,880
know it's it's uh i feel like everybody

4499
02:50:07,910 --> 02:50:06,160
is involved

4500
02:50:09,429 --> 02:50:07,920
and everybody's talking you know you

4501
02:50:11,269 --> 02:50:09,439
know you know

4502
02:50:14,389 --> 02:50:11,279
am i making sense when i say it like

4503
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:14,399
that you know we've all watched it

4504
02:50:17,349 --> 02:50:15,359
together

4505
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:17,359
it's totally fun all right do you know i

4506
02:50:20,469 --> 02:50:18,880
gotta roll credits and get out of here

4507
02:50:21,910 --> 02:50:20,479
brother not i'll be listening tomorrow

4508
02:50:24,870 --> 02:50:21,920
night i'll get enough rest don't get

4509
02:50:28,950 --> 02:50:24,880
sick after all this activity

4510
02:50:33,349 --> 02:50:30,389
all right

4511
02:50:37,030 --> 02:50:33,359
let's uh let's roll on out of here

4512
02:50:38,469 --> 02:50:37,040
uh what's coming up next keith

4513
02:50:42,150 --> 02:50:38,479
hey keith

4514
02:50:44,710 --> 02:50:42,160
you said uh it was uh uh uh producer's

4515
02:50:47,030 --> 02:50:44,720
choice tonight what's going on

4516
02:50:48,830 --> 02:50:47,040
i'm waiting for you

4517
02:50:52,070 --> 02:50:48,840
expanded

4518
02:50:53,830 --> 02:50:52,080
perspectives is coming up next on dark

4519
02:50:57,910 --> 02:50:53,840
matter radio network

4520
02:50:59,750 --> 02:50:57,920
special thanks to keith roland and arbel

4521
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:59,760
fade to black's executive producer is

4522
02:51:03,030 --> 02:51:01,200
rita kamarian

4523
02:51:04,550 --> 02:51:03,040
show it's produced by hilton j palm and

4524
02:51:06,309 --> 02:51:04,560
mark d kovar

4525
02:51:09,510 --> 02:51:06,319
the announcers are steve harder and mark

4526
02:51:11,990 --> 02:51:09,520
d kovar the music is this guy doug

4527
02:51:13,830 --> 02:51:12,000
aldridge somebody tweeted earlier jimmy

4528
02:51:14,630 --> 02:51:13,840
who were you playing when uh when i went

4529
02:51:17,110 --> 02:51:14,640
down

4530
02:51:19,510 --> 02:51:17,120
i was playing doug aldrich i'm watching

4531
02:51:20,870 --> 02:51:19,520
this go beckley teppy you guys are too

4532
02:51:23,670 --> 02:51:20,880
much

4533
02:51:26,150 --> 02:51:23,680
intro is performed by space boy

4534
02:51:28,070 --> 02:51:26,160
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

4535
02:51:31,030 --> 02:51:28,080
the dark matter radio network i'm your

4536
02:51:33,190 --> 02:51:31,040
host jimmy church tomorrow night

4537
02:51:35,349 --> 02:51:33,200
fasten your seat belts phone the

4538
02:51:39,590 --> 02:51:35,359
neighbors wait the kids

4539
02:51:41,269 --> 02:51:39,600
it is call in thursday the highlight

4540
02:51:43,910 --> 02:51:41,279
of my week

4541
02:51:45,510 --> 02:51:43,920
thank you to james fox and tracy tormey

4542
02:51:48,070 --> 02:51:45,520
that was amazing